1 00:00:38,350 --> 00:00:14,850 calling all beans y'all let's get it 2 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:41,770 yeah baby 3 00:00:47,690 --> 00:00:45,120 welcome back to calling all Beats I'm 4 00:00:51,229 --> 00:00:47,700 your host DJ here on a delicious 5 00:00:53,029 --> 00:00:51,239 Wednesday night where guess what you're 6 00:00:55,310 --> 00:00:53,039 wondering why we're talking Bigfoot 7 00:00:57,889 --> 00:00:55,320 right well take a look at that logo look 8 00:01:00,709 --> 00:00:57,899 at that cab logo who's inside that UFO 9 00:01:03,889 --> 00:01:00,719 yes there's a gray in there and there's 10 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:03,899 also a big foot so you feel what I'm 11 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:07,860 saying get with me all right so anyway I 12 00:01:12,170 --> 00:01:10,380 want to introduce my amazing co-host one 13 00:01:14,510 --> 00:01:12,180 of them whom has probably dropped off 14 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:14,520 due to some sort of a technical issue 15 00:01:19,370 --> 00:01:16,320 but let's start with one of the original 16 00:01:21,170 --> 00:01:19,380 gangsters of this joint who is doing so 17 00:01:25,249 --> 00:01:21,180 many things in the community 18 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:25,259 uh in the scenes behind the scenes a 19 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:27,360 wonderful human being who I'm honored to 20 00:01:34,190 --> 00:01:30,600 know and that is a study of uap's Debs 21 00:01:35,810 --> 00:01:34,200 what's up homie hi there how are you 22 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:35,820 good ma'am how you doing it's good to 23 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:38,400 speak with you last night oh yeah it was 24 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:40,560 it was good and um I've had a 25 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:42,720 interesting day I learned about you know 26 00:01:48,109 --> 00:01:45,840 microwaves from NASA 27 00:01:49,850 --> 00:01:48,119 well I was going to say I mean I have an 28 00:01:53,149 --> 00:01:49,860 extra one in the garage actually if you 29 00:01:54,649 --> 00:01:53,159 need one yeah it's only like a 750 watt 30 00:01:58,130 --> 00:01:54,659 I don't know if that's gonna 31 00:02:00,950 --> 00:01:58,140 yeah so NASA told us don't open it like 32 00:02:06,889 --> 00:02:00,960 you no matter what wattage it is while 33 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:09,469 here's how far radar still 34 00:02:15,290 --> 00:02:11,459 it's really great we get to the UAP Park 35 00:02:17,390 --> 00:02:15,300 all right uh our next is uh our newest 36 00:02:19,250 --> 00:02:17,400 uh we have two new cabbies here so we 37 00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:19,260 could let's start with the one on the 38 00:02:22,130 --> 00:02:20,400 left because the one on the right is 39 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:22,140 responsible for us getting the guest of 40 00:02:27,110 --> 00:02:25,560 honor tonight so uh she uh is hosting 41 00:02:29,510 --> 00:02:27,120 this show called invisible night school 42 00:02:31,670 --> 00:02:29,520 she's dope as hell she's smart as hell 43 00:02:33,770 --> 00:02:31,680 and she's read more books this month 44 00:02:37,070 --> 00:02:33,780 than I've read in the last year or two 45 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:37,080 years and that is Leah prep time 46 00:02:42,170 --> 00:02:40,080 yes hello everyone sorry you can't see 47 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:42,180 my beautiful face I'm uh apparently 48 00:02:46,309 --> 00:02:44,160 connecting to the internet with two tin 49 00:02:49,690 --> 00:02:46,319 cans and a string so it's just gonna be 50 00:02:51,890 --> 00:02:49,700 my dulcet voice instead this evening 51 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:51,900 and you know but your knowledge of 52 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:53,400 things you know you figured it out 53 00:02:56,930 --> 00:02:54,660 you're like okay this is what I'm gonna 54 00:02:59,270 --> 00:02:56,940 do to mitigate this situation so that's 55 00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:59,280 dope man glad you did that 56 00:03:03,110 --> 00:03:00,720 um because now we've got we're hearing 57 00:03:05,150 --> 00:03:03,120 you nice and stable and here is another 58 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:05,160 of our new cabbies uh who we brought on 59 00:03:11,809 --> 00:03:08,640 to educate and regulate all about the 60 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:11,819 phenomenon and for those UFO folks that 61 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:14,640 are out there that are kind of poo 62 00:03:20,990 --> 00:03:18,060 pooing about Bigfoot I'm news for you 63 00:03:23,990 --> 00:03:21,000 um there are enough extremely credible 64 00:03:26,509 --> 00:03:24,000 people from all walks of life and most 65 00:03:28,850 --> 00:03:26,519 certainly probably the Walk of a Walk of 66 00:03:31,130 --> 00:03:28,860 Life that you find admirable and 67 00:03:33,589 --> 00:03:31,140 believable that have seen this creature 68 00:03:35,570 --> 00:03:33,599 uh walking around in the woods uh and 69 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:35,580 with family members male female the 70 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:37,500 whole nine yards not to mention the fact 71 00:03:41,869 --> 00:03:39,420 that the Patterson gimlin film is in 72 00:03:44,990 --> 00:03:41,879 fact a female and that is the host of 73 00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:45,000 Bigfoot Crossroads Mac nah what's up 74 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:46,080 Gangster 75 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:49,860 what's up what's up what's up what's up 76 00:03:55,309 --> 00:03:53,040 man G-Unit I love it man 77 00:03:56,690 --> 00:03:55,319 um so ever since I met Matt um we 78 00:03:59,330 --> 00:03:56,700 couldn't have been more than a couple of 79 00:04:03,170 --> 00:03:59,340 phone conversations in when he told me 80 00:04:03,949 --> 00:04:03,180 about the guy that he refers to as my 81 00:04:07,309 --> 00:04:03,959 brother 82 00:04:10,729 --> 00:04:07,319 and a Gentleman whom he has researched 83 00:04:14,270 --> 00:04:10,739 with spent many hours with uh probably 84 00:04:16,969 --> 00:04:14,280 shared campsites in many places uh they 85 00:04:19,009 --> 00:04:16,979 visited one another and I've heard this 86 00:04:20,509 --> 00:04:19,019 podcast as well and really respect this 87 00:04:24,590 --> 00:04:20,519 gentleman 88 00:04:27,530 --> 00:04:24,600 um and he is the host of the Bigfoot 89 00:04:29,210 --> 00:04:27,540 Club so party people put those hands 90 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:29,220 together 91 00:04:48,350 --> 00:04:42,290 oh hell yeah hey guys that was a good 92 00:04:52,129 --> 00:04:50,330 what you got Leah go ahead I'm sorry I 93 00:04:53,870 --> 00:04:52,139 was just gonna say DJ I always wish I 94 00:04:54,650 --> 00:04:53,880 had you to announce my entry into every 95 00:04:57,110 --> 00:04:54,660 room 96 00:04:58,550 --> 00:04:57,120 oh we can you know I'm willing to do 97 00:05:00,830 --> 00:04:58,560 that for you prime time you're what 98 00:05:04,249 --> 00:05:00,840 you're donating your time to this show 99 00:05:07,430 --> 00:05:04,259 uh and I'm always you know not only uh 100 00:05:10,249 --> 00:05:07,440 Bob you know you feel when uh you're 101 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:10,259 honored when a guest wants to come on uh 102 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:12,840 every time because someone's willing to 103 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:15,360 give of their time similarly they're 104 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:18,180 honored because you are asked you're 105 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:19,680 curious what their opinion is on 106 00:05:23,150 --> 00:05:21,540 something and it's an honor anytime 107 00:05:24,650 --> 00:05:23,160 somebody's like I want to know what you 108 00:05:27,770 --> 00:05:24,660 think about X 109 00:05:29,330 --> 00:05:27,780 and in this case uh you know someone is 110 00:05:32,029 --> 00:05:29,340 willing to collab with you that's 111 00:05:35,150 --> 00:05:32,039 another honor so really as much as 112 00:05:37,189 --> 00:05:35,160 people sort of will 113 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:37,199 um have something to say about the 114 00:05:40,430 --> 00:05:38,520 Bigfoot community and the Twitter 115 00:05:42,409 --> 00:05:40,440 Community there's a lot of great people 116 00:05:43,790 --> 00:05:42,419 like uh there are a lot of great friends 117 00:05:46,129 --> 00:05:43,800 that you make and that's what you need 118 00:05:47,810 --> 00:05:46,139 to focus on uh as opposed to the 119 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:47,820 negativity you know that that's what I 120 00:05:52,010 --> 00:05:50,580 focus on is all the people I've met as a 121 00:05:55,189 --> 00:05:52,020 result of this just like I'm meeting you 122 00:05:57,950 --> 00:05:55,199 tonight so welcome welcome sir and um 123 00:06:00,110 --> 00:05:57,960 we'd love to hear uh more about you Matt 124 00:06:02,150 --> 00:06:00,120 suggested you know you kind of go in and 125 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:02,160 tell people about your couple of decades 126 00:06:10,249 --> 00:06:04,440 worth of research and then Matt's going 127 00:06:14,210 --> 00:06:11,870 um you know I've known Matt a long time 128 00:06:16,010 --> 00:06:14,220 and you know he and I we're we we 129 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:16,020 stomped a lot of the same woods and put 130 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:18,660 our boots down in the same area so 131 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:21,600 um I mean I I started like in almost the 132 00:06:26,270 --> 00:06:23,520 same way he did almost like in the 90s 133 00:06:29,150 --> 00:06:26,280 and uh you know way back I can even go 134 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:29,160 back further whenever I was a kid uh my 135 00:06:33,650 --> 00:06:31,560 father took me to uh to go see a 136 00:06:36,529 --> 00:06:33,660 drive-in uh to go see the Legend of 137 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:36,539 Boggy Creek and I was terrified but I 138 00:06:41,510 --> 00:06:38,400 was like intrigued you know at the same 139 00:06:43,909 --> 00:06:41,520 time so you know decades later 140 00:06:46,309 --> 00:06:43,919 I'm on I'm on the internet looking up 141 00:06:47,689 --> 00:06:46,319 Texas Bigfoot and you know long and 142 00:06:49,730 --> 00:06:47,699 behold I always thought it was like the 143 00:06:51,529 --> 00:06:49,740 Pacific Northwest and a lot you know 144 00:06:54,830 --> 00:06:51,539 long and behold it's like in East Texas 145 00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:54,840 and I met up with some people uh in East 146 00:06:59,870 --> 00:06:57,300 Dallas and we formed a Texas Bigfoot 147 00:07:01,490 --> 00:06:59,880 research center and without you know I 148 00:07:02,270 --> 00:07:01,500 would just say this without joining that 149 00:07:04,670 --> 00:07:02,280 group 150 00:07:07,969 --> 00:07:04,680 I probably would never have met and met 151 00:07:10,730 --> 00:07:07,979 so I'm really happy I'm no longer in 152 00:07:14,090 --> 00:07:10,740 that group uh and I've moved on 153 00:07:15,830 --> 00:07:14,100 but uh you know I was really happy to be 154 00:07:20,089 --> 00:07:15,840 a part of that group helped get started 155 00:07:21,950 --> 00:07:20,099 and then uh just kind of you know and 156 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:21,960 I'll just say that at that time there 157 00:07:25,670 --> 00:07:23,880 wasn't that many Spanish people 158 00:07:27,469 --> 00:07:25,680 doing Bigfoot stuff and like the night 159 00:07:30,529 --> 00:07:27,479 it was like me and maybe Daniel Perez 160 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:30,539 and maybe a guy in uh Pennsylvania 161 00:07:33,529 --> 00:07:32,400 Bigfoot society and I think that's about 162 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:33,539 it so 163 00:07:36,469 --> 00:07:35,160 whenever I would tell people I would go 164 00:07:38,029 --> 00:07:36,479 looking for bigfoot people would always 165 00:07:39,309 --> 00:07:38,039 like dude Double Take On Me or something 166 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:39,319 so 167 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:43,740 are you weird homes I know like I said 168 00:07:48,830 --> 00:07:45,960 don't be in the Woods Homes 169 00:07:50,450 --> 00:07:48,840 no it's awesome when there's people of 170 00:07:52,670 --> 00:07:50,460 color in it you know there's a couple of 171 00:07:54,589 --> 00:07:52,680 yeah Brothers in Alabama that are doing 172 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:54,599 it and I just love hearing it because I 173 00:07:57,950 --> 00:07:56,520 don't I don't and they basically got it 174 00:07:59,870 --> 00:07:57,960 they're using a 175 00:08:01,490 --> 00:07:59,880 they're Hunting Buddies you know they're 176 00:08:03,890 --> 00:08:01,500 like a hunting uh lease that they would 177 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:03,900 go to and they're they're so into it man 178 00:08:07,550 --> 00:08:06,120 and and it's just it's awesome to see I 179 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:07,560 just want to add a show note before we 180 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:10,080 begin first of all um I I forgot to 181 00:08:15,170 --> 00:08:12,360 mention that Nathan is uh on a trip 182 00:08:17,330 --> 00:08:15,180 tonight uh driving with his son 183 00:08:20,450 --> 00:08:17,340 um so he couldn't make it tonight uh but 184 00:08:23,089 --> 00:08:20,460 his regards to you Robert uh Nathan 185 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:23,099 increasingly involved in not only uh 186 00:08:26,390 --> 00:08:24,720 working full-time in the family but he's 187 00:08:29,210 --> 00:08:26,400 got a couple podcasts that he's working 188 00:08:30,529 --> 00:08:29,220 with and um so I regret he couldn't be 189 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:30,539 there and I also want to say hello to 190 00:08:36,709 --> 00:08:34,380 Jules Jules is our chat moderator she is 191 00:08:38,089 --> 00:08:36,719 the best in the business that's what I'm 192 00:08:40,010 --> 00:08:38,099 trying to say 193 00:08:43,790 --> 00:08:40,020 um so hi Jules good evening thank you 194 00:08:45,889 --> 00:08:43,800 for being here and um and please uh go 195 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:45,899 go on ahead with uh what you're saying 196 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:48,120 the Red River the Red River rivalry 197 00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:50,640 apparently was canceled so that you and 198 00:08:53,449 --> 00:08:51,839 Matt could get together that's what 199 00:08:57,769 --> 00:08:53,459 happened you know it's funny because 200 00:08:59,690 --> 00:08:57,779 like I had I had left the tbrc and at 201 00:09:02,630 --> 00:08:59,700 the time we were doing some stuff in 202 00:09:05,750 --> 00:09:02,640 Lamar County and it was uh we had a 203 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:05,760 couple videos that we were doing 204 00:09:10,850 --> 00:09:08,580 and um we were going to Showcase him and 205 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:10,860 I think that's how I met Matt I met him 206 00:09:15,530 --> 00:09:13,560 through another body of ours and uh we 207 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:15,540 were we were showcasing some video and 208 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:17,760 Matt just came up and we ended up we 209 00:09:21,470 --> 00:09:19,860 ended up meeting we just hooked up and 210 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:21,480 for some reason you know we just 211 00:09:24,949 --> 00:09:22,980 gravitated toward each other because 212 00:09:28,070 --> 00:09:24,959 like kids believes to my beliefs were 213 00:09:30,530 --> 00:09:28,080 similar and uh the way we approached it 214 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:30,540 and how you know we we always thought 215 00:09:36,110 --> 00:09:34,260 about helping people first before uh you 216 00:09:39,530 --> 00:09:36,120 know trying to kind of prove that this 217 00:09:42,350 --> 00:09:39,540 animal is the real so uh I always I 218 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:42,360 always wanted to do that and so once I 219 00:09:47,509 --> 00:09:45,360 met Matt he was he was always 220 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:47,519 um in that perspective of just helping 221 00:09:52,490 --> 00:09:50,880 people so and I I don't know we just we 222 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:52,500 just like the same things we like comics 223 00:09:57,350 --> 00:09:55,920 and we like the same music and uh so I 224 00:10:00,710 --> 00:09:57,360 don't know we just kind of hit it off 225 00:10:02,990 --> 00:10:00,720 and we've been close since then so 226 00:10:05,170 --> 00:10:03,000 um I can't think of anybody else because 227 00:10:07,850 --> 00:10:05,180 I know he's been on my show a ton 228 00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:07,860 I've been on his show with ton just like 229 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:11,100 you know uh sometimes me and Stephen my 230 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:13,680 my co-host for my show we always we 231 00:10:16,370 --> 00:10:15,120 started showing up and go I wonder if 232 00:10:19,550 --> 00:10:16,380 Matt's gonna call 233 00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:19,560 so so that's awesome that's how close we 234 00:10:24,350 --> 00:10:22,500 are so um and you know so but you know 235 00:10:28,490 --> 00:10:24,360 end up doing that and then uh after 236 00:10:31,009 --> 00:10:28,500 after I left the tbrc and went on my own 237 00:10:32,449 --> 00:10:31,019 I started doing some other stuff started 238 00:10:34,009 --> 00:10:32,459 researching because like whenever you're 239 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:34,019 with a group you did 240 00:10:40,250 --> 00:10:37,440 sometimes groups have like you know laws 241 00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:40,260 and bylaws and Dynamics yeah Dynamics 242 00:10:44,810 --> 00:10:42,720 yeah in the past so you know you can't 243 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:44,820 talk you know to people who have 244 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:47,640 paranormal or Supernatural events or no 245 00:10:52,250 --> 00:10:49,560 similar to that so 246 00:10:55,190 --> 00:10:52,260 and so that once I did that then I I got 247 00:10:57,170 --> 00:10:55,200 recruited to be on a paranormal with a 248 00:10:59,150 --> 00:10:57,180 lady by the name of uh Kendall Wilkerson 249 00:11:01,910 --> 00:10:59,160 which she's the best by the way 250 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:01,920 yeah I was her case director for 10 251 00:11:06,949 --> 00:11:02,820 years 252 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:06,959 so I I have the the good graces of you 253 00:11:11,030 --> 00:11:09,120 know doing Cryptid stuff you know for 20 254 00:11:13,850 --> 00:11:11,040 and then doing paranormal stuff for Ted 255 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:13,860 so I got I got to touch both sides of 256 00:11:20,150 --> 00:11:17,160 that on helping people so to me that was 257 00:11:21,710 --> 00:11:20,160 that was you know great because you see 258 00:11:23,810 --> 00:11:21,720 you know a lot of times whenever you're 259 00:11:25,970 --> 00:11:23,820 in a field and Matt can you know I'm not 260 00:11:28,490 --> 00:11:25,980 gonna speak for Matt but I know he he'll 261 00:11:30,110 --> 00:11:28,500 he'll agree with me on this but 262 00:11:31,490 --> 00:11:30,120 you know you can be in the woods and 263 00:11:34,069 --> 00:11:31,500 looking for bigfoot and all of a sudden 264 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:34,079 paranormal stuff happens and it just 265 00:11:38,690 --> 00:11:37,260 comes out of nowhere and so there's some 266 00:11:40,009 --> 00:11:38,700 stuff I've had in the woods that I 267 00:11:45,350 --> 00:11:40,019 cannot explain 268 00:11:47,930 --> 00:11:45,360 and uh we gonna get into it baby so 269 00:11:49,730 --> 00:11:47,940 so fast forward now you know I kind of 270 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:49,740 you know Matt Matt's been doing his show 271 00:11:54,110 --> 00:11:52,560 for a long time and uh I know I've been 272 00:11:56,569 --> 00:11:54,120 a guest like I said I've been a guest on 273 00:11:58,850 --> 00:11:56,579 his show and so I kind of wanted to do a 274 00:12:01,009 --> 00:11:58,860 show off off you know come almost off 275 00:12:02,329 --> 00:12:01,019 his but you know like like I was saying 276 00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:02,339 earlier you know whenever you're with 277 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:03,899 groups you're kind of limited on what 278 00:12:08,530 --> 00:12:06,060 you can say and what you can't say and 279 00:12:11,329 --> 00:12:08,540 so I wanted to do you know Bigfoot Club 280 00:12:13,370 --> 00:12:11,339 to talk about stuff that I did with 281 00:12:15,410 --> 00:12:13,380 killing me you know I said okay I got I 282 00:12:17,389 --> 00:12:15,420 have to talk about this this is bugging 283 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:17,399 me and so that's how I kind of got the 284 00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:20,760 idea of doing Bigfoot Club so so we're 285 00:12:24,949 --> 00:12:22,980 like we're like anti-heroes so that's 286 00:12:26,990 --> 00:12:24,959 the way I look at it so I I tell Matt 287 00:12:31,610 --> 00:12:27,000 this all the time we're not podcasters 288 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:35,810 describe it when 289 00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:37,370 it was Court you know like you work in 290 00:12:40,910 --> 00:12:38,880 that Advocate and you're like you know I 291 00:12:42,889 --> 00:12:40,920 really like the way the lutherans of 292 00:12:45,710 --> 00:12:42,899 think about this aspect of the Bible but 293 00:12:47,569 --> 00:12:45,720 you dare not say it right and you get 294 00:12:50,210 --> 00:12:47,579 chastised and stuff so 295 00:12:52,009 --> 00:12:50,220 uh I want to go I want to go off-roading 296 00:12:54,110 --> 00:12:52,019 for a second Robert because you said 297 00:12:56,329 --> 00:12:54,120 something when you talked about deep 298 00:12:57,949 --> 00:12:56,339 talking about proving the existence of 299 00:13:00,170 --> 00:12:57,959 these creatures in the woods you know 300 00:13:02,150 --> 00:13:00,180 and because we have four wheel drive I 301 00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:02,160 want to go to Prime Time real quick and 302 00:13:08,030 --> 00:13:05,160 say prime time you're very very familiar 303 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:08,040 with this community why is it that the 304 00:13:12,829 --> 00:13:11,100 UFO Community seems to or and maybe this 305 00:13:15,350 --> 00:13:12,839 is a perception problem with me and it's 306 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:15,360 not it's it's it's perceived only why do 307 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:16,980 people have a problem acknowledging 308 00:13:21,410 --> 00:13:19,500 Bigfoot or recognizing Bigfoot could you 309 00:13:24,530 --> 00:13:21,420 do you have any hypothesis about that 310 00:13:28,329 --> 00:13:24,540 well is the formal spokesperson for the 311 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:28,339 entire Community yes 312 00:13:33,230 --> 00:13:31,260 qualified to comment on this 313 00:13:36,889 --> 00:13:33,240 um you know I I 314 00:13:39,410 --> 00:13:36,899 I mean it my my honest to God answer is 315 00:13:41,290 --> 00:13:39,420 that I think ufology given how 316 00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:41,300 incredibly personal 317 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:43,620 the relationship seemed to be between 318 00:13:49,610 --> 00:13:46,920 people in the subject they see any kind 319 00:13:53,569 --> 00:13:49,620 of encroachment by any other paranormal 320 00:13:55,970 --> 00:13:53,579 phenomenon or experience or Cryptid is 321 00:13:57,530 --> 00:13:55,980 basically an adulterant 322 00:13:59,810 --> 00:13:57,540 um or a threat to sort of their 323 00:14:02,629 --> 00:13:59,820 perception of the subject oh my God I'm 324 00:14:06,350 --> 00:14:02,639 not a kid I am not kidding now now but 325 00:14:09,230 --> 00:14:06,360 like my my actual answer is also that um 326 00:14:12,050 --> 00:14:09,240 I see these I see Cryptid phenomena High 327 00:14:14,329 --> 00:14:12,060 strangeness for Tiana ufology experience 328 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:14,339 or phenomena is all part of a 329 00:14:19,009 --> 00:14:17,100 constellation of or spectrum of 330 00:14:20,449 --> 00:14:19,019 experiences that exist sort of in the 331 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:20,459 numerous like exist in this like 332 00:14:25,250 --> 00:14:23,220 mysterious third place beyond like truth 333 00:14:27,530 --> 00:14:25,260 and falsity 334 00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:27,540 um but I I genuinely think a lot of it 335 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:29,519 has to do with basically people's 336 00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:31,560 immensely personal connections to 337 00:14:36,290 --> 00:14:34,079 ufology in the sense that 338 00:14:39,230 --> 00:14:36,300 um there's almost like a ideological 339 00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:39,240 Purity associated with ufology so any 340 00:14:44,569 --> 00:14:40,560 other subject 341 00:14:48,290 --> 00:14:44,579 um is uh almost taboo or verboten 342 00:14:50,930 --> 00:14:48,300 because it affects kind of the the pure 343 00:14:52,189 --> 00:14:50,940 um you know Flying Saucer Nuts and Bolts 344 00:14:53,990 --> 00:14:52,199 Etc 345 00:14:55,610 --> 00:14:54,000 um interpretation of events I'm not 346 00:14:59,389 --> 00:14:55,620 saying I agree with this to be clear but 347 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:05,389 uh oh DJ you're silent 348 00:15:11,389 --> 00:15:07,430 let's just try to read his lips for a 349 00:15:13,069 --> 00:15:11,399 little while he's saying prime time this 350 00:15:16,490 --> 00:15:13,079 is the most brilliant words that have 351 00:15:19,069 --> 00:15:16,500 ever been broadcast on cab I I wanted to 352 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:19,079 use our telepathy skills I'm like trying 353 00:15:23,090 --> 00:15:21,120 to repeat 354 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:23,100 I'm trying to remote view his mute 355 00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:31,069 I think I think the answer is because uh 356 00:15:36,290 --> 00:15:33,120 uh ufologists are always looking up and 357 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:36,300 bigfooters are always looking down 358 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:39,120 so they don't ever see one another they 359 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:41,600 don't see eye to eye 360 00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:44,220 Matt has the very actual pragmatic 361 00:15:48,829 --> 00:15:46,320 response I just like it's so clear I sat 362 00:15:53,569 --> 00:15:48,839 way too long in Academia right 363 00:15:58,970 --> 00:15:56,090 um you know no I mean this is like I I 364 00:16:01,310 --> 00:15:58,980 think it's a good it's a great question 365 00:16:03,230 --> 00:16:01,320 too because I feel like there there is 366 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:03,240 or seems to be a major correlation 367 00:16:08,569 --> 00:16:06,060 between Bigfoot encrypted encounters and 368 00:16:10,430 --> 00:16:08,579 UFO experiences right isn't there 369 00:16:12,290 --> 00:16:10,440 something isn't there a major Passover 370 00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:12,300 with these things yeah it was one of the 371 00:16:16,430 --> 00:16:14,100 first things that I ever heard whenever 372 00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:16,440 I got involved in Bigfoot uh people that 373 00:16:21,650 --> 00:16:18,779 wouldn't dare uh 374 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:21,660 you know mention a breath of paranormal 375 00:16:26,569 --> 00:16:24,060 involvement with Bigfoot you know around 376 00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:26,579 a campfire uh so to speak when the 377 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:28,260 recorders are all turned off and you 378 00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:30,540 can't document what they're saying uh 379 00:16:35,449 --> 00:16:31,980 one of the first stories I heard was 380 00:16:38,449 --> 00:16:35,459 about a UFO being scene coming down in a 381 00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:38,459 field and opening up and this this orb 382 00:16:42,829 --> 00:16:40,680 of light traveled out and grew in size 383 00:16:44,749 --> 00:16:42,839 and then this orb of light turned into 384 00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:44,759 Bigfoot creatures that ran off into the 385 00:16:50,569 --> 00:16:47,759 woods and I mean that was coming from a 386 00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,579 hardcore Flesh and Blood guy uh DJ 387 00:16:54,730 --> 00:16:53,040 you're back test test that sound oh 388 00:16:57,769 --> 00:16:54,740 there he is 389 00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:57,779 is that crackling has the level sounds 390 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:00,959 good yeah it's good okay thank you it it 391 00:17:05,390 --> 00:17:03,120 had switched over to airpods and then my 392 00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:05,400 mic program went to mute so everything 393 00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:07,020 went wrong and I'm gonna blame Matt 394 00:17:09,549 --> 00:17:08,699 because I believe like sure Drew sure 395 00:17:11,929 --> 00:17:09,559 whatever 396 00:17:18,049 --> 00:17:11,939 that came here and said we're gonna be 397 00:17:18,059 --> 00:17:21,909 um 398 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,049 I think one of the reasons we have 399 00:17:28,010 --> 00:17:26,400 problems with overlap is that there are 400 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,020 some topics that just are really 401 00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:30,720 uncomfortable for people so people have 402 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:33,660 to overcome their discomfort to like 403 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:35,640 some people are terrified of the idea of 404 00:17:41,570 --> 00:17:38,280 Bigfoot some people are terrified of the 405 00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:41,580 idea of like UFOs and some people are 406 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:43,919 terrified of ghosts 407 00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:45,660 so I'm just going to throw that out 408 00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:46,980 there is one of the reasons that people 409 00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:48,900 are like nope that one needs to stay at 410 00:17:53,570 --> 00:17:51,780 arm's length this one I'll talk about I 411 00:17:56,090 --> 00:17:53,580 I just want to say Deb is not terrified 412 00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:56,100 of ghosts despite the speed that she 413 00:18:02,210 --> 00:17:58,980 left that restaurant bathroom in after 414 00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:02,220 that door moved on its own terrified I 415 00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:04,140 want to get a yes I wanted for the 416 00:18:11,870 --> 00:18:10,190 do you so you're and this is what's 417 00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:11,880 interesting Robert is you're down with 418 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:13,620 all three of these topics 419 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:18,240 yes I I am I mean I don't I have I have 420 00:18:23,930 --> 00:18:20,640 like to be honest I use a lot of the 421 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:23,940 equipment that I have in both so I have 422 00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:26,880 like uh a couple of um you know K2 423 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:28,860 meters and I use that in the field all 424 00:18:32,930 --> 00:18:31,320 the time because uh I I've said this 425 00:18:34,909 --> 00:18:32,940 repeatedly and then if I'm bringing 426 00:18:38,330 --> 00:18:34,919 stuff I'm sorry but I always feel that 427 00:18:39,710 --> 00:18:38,340 EVP and infrasound is the same I've 428 00:18:41,810 --> 00:18:39,720 always I've always felt that you know 429 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:41,820 because like people people react 430 00:18:45,650 --> 00:18:44,400 differently to EVP and 431 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:45,660 um you know infrasound they get 432 00:18:49,070 --> 00:18:47,220 nauseated they get they get headaches 433 00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:49,080 and stuff like so some of the stuff I 434 00:18:54,529 --> 00:18:52,559 have like gear wise I the ghost stuff I 435 00:18:56,510 --> 00:18:54,539 will take into the field is the Bigfoot 436 00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,520 stuff so I kind of I kind of like 437 00:19:00,289 --> 00:18:58,559 because I've gone back and asked people 438 00:19:01,610 --> 00:19:00,299 whenever I've done like years of 439 00:19:03,289 --> 00:19:01,620 research and I've interviewed people I 440 00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:03,299 go back to them and say Hey whenever you 441 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,940 saw this Bigfoot how did you feel you 442 00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:07,440 know did you feel nauseated did you feel 443 00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,039 sick did you feel you know like you know 444 00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:13,200 just crazy and then they always agree 445 00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:15,539 because yeah I felt all that and so I I 446 00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:17,820 don't know I mean I I think I you can 447 00:19:21,890 --> 00:19:19,559 use you know some of the stuff that you 448 00:19:24,590 --> 00:19:21,900 learn on both sides uh with each other 449 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,600 so that's the way I see it and it's 450 00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:26,400 worth adding that quantum physics is 451 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,440 having a lot of fun looking at that 452 00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:31,200 Spectrum right now you know from sound 453 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:34,020 light frequency 454 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:37,080 yes yeah and the sound that they make uh 455 00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,020 is not it's not unknown in in the animal 456 00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:42,480 world other animals other Predators use 457 00:19:50,270 --> 00:19:46,559 it but Bigfoot seems to be able to maybe 458 00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,280 project it in a unique way and in in and 459 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,559 in in some cases isolated it seems like 460 00:19:56,210 --> 00:19:54,720 to an individual does that check Matt 461 00:19:58,250 --> 00:19:56,220 Robert 462 00:20:00,350 --> 00:19:58,260 yeah I mean I I've been in the field 463 00:20:02,270 --> 00:20:00,360 I've been in the field like with a K2 464 00:20:05,150 --> 00:20:02,280 meter and there's like no power lines 465 00:20:07,490 --> 00:20:05,160 nothing no houses and when I was doing 466 00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:07,500 Bigfoot stuff the K2 leader was reading 467 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:11,460 at 20 milliamps for no reason so I go 468 00:20:16,669 --> 00:20:14,340 man you know two metal gas is a lot 20 469 00:20:19,370 --> 00:20:16,679 uh and it would just it would just Peg 470 00:20:21,710 --> 00:20:19,380 off for like 10 minutes so and I didn't 471 00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,720 get any calls at the time but I don't 472 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:23,280 know what was in the area but I don't 473 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:25,860 know if I was standing on a Ley line or 474 00:20:30,049 --> 00:20:27,720 a portal I don't know so but it's it's 475 00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:30,059 crazy and I was documenting I said oh my 476 00:20:34,669 --> 00:20:33,240 God look at this and I I and I for you 477 00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,679 know I looked up on satellite stuff 478 00:20:39,289 --> 00:20:36,480 afterwards and there was nothing around 479 00:20:41,090 --> 00:20:39,299 us that was close enough to even make it 480 00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:41,100 Peg off that much but 481 00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,120 give us a reference on what what uh what 482 00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:47,039 that give us a reference of that so 483 00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:49,080 we're what is the the uh the measurement 484 00:20:53,390 --> 00:20:50,580 that you're measuring there 485 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:53,400 it is uh the the 486 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:54,480 the 487 00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:55,320 um 488 00:21:00,289 --> 00:20:57,660 the amount of gas is it's what it's it's 489 00:21:02,090 --> 00:21:00,299 common known as uh people in theory 490 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,100 believe that whenever a ghost uh 491 00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:05,520 manifestes it uses uh this The Melodies 492 00:21:11,289 --> 00:21:09,299 to to conjure itself out to be seen uh 493 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:11,299 as a full body aberration or something 494 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:14,580 so and then at the same time I I always 495 00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:17,100 felt that bigfoots can do 496 00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:18,600 um 497 00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:20,700 you know they can they can admit this as 498 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,000 well so uh it's just a theory of mine is 499 00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:25,919 this conjecture so I mean it's just 500 00:21:29,870 --> 00:21:28,260 whenever I interview people I come 501 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,880 across sometimes that whenever I'm 502 00:21:33,289 --> 00:21:31,740 interviewing some people they have they 503 00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:33,299 have some stories that I have some 504 00:21:37,789 --> 00:21:35,700 Supernatural stuff to it and I can't 505 00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,799 explain it so that's what kind of got me 506 00:21:44,450 --> 00:21:40,559 you know to think of that way so 507 00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:44,460 I just wanted to say that I I uh I love 508 00:21:49,490 --> 00:21:46,620 it because it does keep people's minds 509 00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:49,500 open about what the possibilities are 510 00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:51,299 and that's the key of what you said you 511 00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:53,100 weren't getting in those groups but um 512 00:21:57,049 --> 00:21:54,480 at this point what I'd like to do is 513 00:21:59,810 --> 00:21:57,059 turn the floor over to Matt so that you 514 00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,820 guys can have some dialogue about the uh 515 00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:01,679 dearth of experiences that you guys have 516 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:03,780 had and as far as our cabbies here when 517 00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,700 you want to ask a question just you know 518 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:08,159 sort of Roger up that you want to get in 519 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,440 there and ask something so that uh they 520 00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:12,840 don't get too far away from that 521 00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:14,280 particular topic that you're interested 522 00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:16,380 in and and let's Fireside we got the 523 00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:18,120 fire going all you got to do now I don't 524 00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:19,559 know what you if you brought any hot 525 00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,179 dogs or if you've got any s'mores or 526 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,039 marshmallows but but it's right there 527 00:22:28,990 --> 00:22:25,440 below you right there Bob okay Teresa 528 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:29,000 T-Rex chorizo baby now we're talking 529 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,280 all right go ahead go ahead Matt I had 530 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:34,320 chorizo on a Bigfoot outing once and I 531 00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:36,200 would not suggest it 532 00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:39,179 just to be perfectly honest it does not 533 00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:42,299 make good camp food 534 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:44,520 it's breakfast food I'm just saying it's 535 00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:47,640 breakfast food so yeah yeah started that 536 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,840 day out wrong 537 00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:50,480 laughs 538 00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,100 like hey man I gotta go dig a hole Yeah 539 00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:59,280 uh anybody who's not familiar I I don't 540 00:23:03,310 --> 00:23:00,900 know DJ if this is like what you're 541 00:23:06,649 --> 00:23:03,320 asking but a K2 meter measures uh 542 00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:06,659 electromagnetic field uh fluctuations in 543 00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:08,580 the environment I I don't know what the 544 00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:11,100 exact range is on it like how far out it 545 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,280 can detect these changes or if something 546 00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:16,440 close would measure higher than it would 547 00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:19,799 if it was far away but uh you know 548 00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:21,659 Robert and I have talked over the years 549 00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:24,840 and he was the first person that ever 550 00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:27,919 pointed out to myself at least that uh 551 00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:30,960 the symptoms that a person kills from 552 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:33,539 infrasound are very similar and the same 553 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,020 as symptoms reported from uh EMF which 554 00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:39,360 paranormal researchers have paid 555 00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:40,980 attention to for years 556 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,620 yeah and uh out in the woods you know 557 00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,360 there shouldn't be 558 00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,200 any measurable EMF at least not with the 559 00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:51,539 type of equipment that you know a 560 00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:53,640 typical consumer would have in their 561 00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:57,299 possession or anything and Robert and uh 562 00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:59,340 from what I've heard other people as 563 00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:01,620 well have discovered these fluctuations 564 00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:04,380 at different times while in areas where 565 00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:06,059 reported Bigfoot activity is taking 566 00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:07,020 place 567 00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:09,780 uh so it's definitely an Avenue that 568 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:11,400 needs to be studied more 569 00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:15,840 and uh I wish more big Footers would get 570 00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:17,220 on board with it 571 00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:19,980 in the past we've had 572 00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:22,679 uh numerous occasions where paranormal 573 00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:24,059 researchers 574 00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:27,179 would be out in the field in a wooded 575 00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:30,059 area or a remote area especially old 576 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,500 cemeteries 577 00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:32,880 and while they were doing their 578 00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:34,679 paranormal research they would end up 579 00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,320 having what we would think as a typical 580 00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:39,179 Bigfoot encounter 581 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,120 and uh Robert do you have any old 582 00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:44,640 Cemetery stories like that 583 00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,140 I know 584 00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:48,720 um whenever I took Stephen out my my 585 00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,659 nephew we went out to Hallsville uh 586 00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:54,240 Texas and um I went out there with Luke 587 00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:56,039 we were meeting with another paranormal 588 00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:59,280 group and we were doing uh we we tagged 589 00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,299 along with them because they were doing 590 00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:02,880 it was the old Cemetery 591 00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,080 um for uh the slave cemetery and we went 592 00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,360 out we tagged along with them to do some 593 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:12,720 to do some uh EVP work and then I had 594 00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:15,480 noticed on uh some website I can't I 595 00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:17,100 can't recall which which website it was 596 00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:19,500 but there was some Bigfoot activity in 597 00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,440 that area so we tagged along and as soon 598 00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:24,000 as they were done with their with their 599 00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:26,039 session we did a couple tree knocks and 600 00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:28,679 it was in a cemetery and we did a couple 601 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:30,600 tree knocks couple couple yells and then 602 00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:33,840 within five to ten minutes we got uh 603 00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,779 maybe a call back over to our right and 604 00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,220 then we got another call back over to 605 00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,440 our left and then 606 00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,240 um and then we got I shine like eight 607 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:44,279 feet off the ground over to our left 608 00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,640 again oh and so uh once once we got that 609 00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,919 uh once we got our shine someone said I 610 00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:52,559 shine and we were looking something 611 00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,299 across the street was probably like 100 612 00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:55,919 yards away because we started helping us 613 00:26:02,470 --> 00:25:58,980 with rocks and so as soon as we took the 614 00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:02,480 flashlight off the eye shine 615 00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:05,880 was gone and so 616 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,360 um but that was in a cemetery and it was 617 00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,580 just kind of odd how that happened it 618 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,159 was like and I was telling Stephen my my 619 00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:18,000 co-host at the time he was 10 and um his 620 00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:19,740 nephew just before anybody thinks 621 00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,370 my uh nephew whenever whenever he I took 622 00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:29,760 him out to the field 623 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:32,340 um he uh I told him I said you don't 624 00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:34,140 know we don't ever get Bigfoot stuff the 625 00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:35,820 first time we go in the field so I feel 626 00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:36,779 lucky 627 00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:39,960 so so it happened yeah so he was pretty 628 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:41,700 he was pretty excited he was pretty 629 00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:43,320 scared at the same time so that that's 630 00:26:46,669 --> 00:26:45,059 one of the stories I had with the 631 00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:46,679 cemetery so 632 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:49,320 he was very reluctant to be tied to the 633 00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:50,760 tree at first and left out there by 634 00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:57,950 I was I was hazing him too because like 635 00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,640 it was like he was pit it was pitch 636 00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:01,919 black dark you couldn't see your hand in 637 00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:03,659 front of you and so I was telling him I 638 00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:06,120 said hey uh I think I got flashlights or 639 00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:08,279 did I put batteries in it I don't know 640 00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:10,980 oh well and he goes come on man I didn't 641 00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:12,419 like I had a spotlight going oh yeah I 642 00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:14,039 have a spotlight oh but wait did I 643 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,500 charge it 644 00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,240 so he was he was pretty scared he goes 645 00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:21,120 come on man come on so what Matt is 646 00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:22,620 suggesting is you did like King Kong 647 00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:24,600 where they tied the woman the Scandal 648 00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:26,460 plaid went into the tree and just draw 649 00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:29,700 Kong in so um the question I was gonna 650 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,799 ask and and please after this uh Prime 651 00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:34,080 Time and Deb if you have something 652 00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,860 um Robert your theory is it I shine is 653 00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:40,559 it reflecting light off of either 654 00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:44,220 someone's emitter or the or the moon or 655 00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:46,679 it or are those eyes do you think that 656 00:27:51,409 --> 00:27:48,600 they are actually emitting light that is 657 00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:51,419 different than a fox or a raccoon or a 658 00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:54,659 dog or a cat or Etc yeah I think at the 659 00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,240 time uh they were emitting like red 660 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:00,480 eyeshadow from what I I recall immune 661 00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,760 light not reflecting light yeah I was I 662 00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,000 mean well okay I'm sorry it was it was 663 00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,400 re-reflecting the flashlight and 664 00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:09,840 whenever whenever whenever we got 665 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:12,900 eyeshine it was red so it was it yellow 666 00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,120 it was in white it wasn't it was red so 667 00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:20,159 so you don't you haven't seen evidence 668 00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:22,380 that their eyes can emit light that that 669 00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:26,520 is more of more uh given to lore Bigfoot 670 00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:29,100 lower than yeah I I would I would I 671 00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:30,419 would agree with that because that's 672 00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:31,980 what and I'm sorry about it it wasn't 673 00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:34,740 clear on that but that's fine it's yeah 674 00:28:39,049 --> 00:28:37,080 so that's what that's what we got in in 675 00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:39,059 the field of in the cemetery first time 676 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,820 I took my nephew out so okay 677 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,980 Debs has something for you 678 00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:47,039 yeah it's just that section of lore and 679 00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:49,080 since you since you kind of said you 680 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:51,059 don't think that one's the case 681 00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:53,100 um can you kind of crack down on some 682 00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:55,980 other lore that might be 683 00:29:01,789 --> 00:29:01,010 um let me see let me let me think on 684 00:29:03,370 --> 00:29:01,799 that one 685 00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,380 um 686 00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:06,240 uh I can't think of I mean because I 687 00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:07,559 know I've talked a lot of people in the 688 00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:08,700 past about 689 00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,740 about portals and 690 00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,480 um they've always talked about that 691 00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,159 portals and 692 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:16,500 um and they and you know some of the old 693 00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,120 stories were that they would just like 694 00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,919 steal children 695 00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:21,360 um there there are there are some 696 00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:24,419 stories of you know supposedly stealing 697 00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:26,820 children but um it's usually on Reddit 698 00:29:31,210 --> 00:29:28,500 and I don't really I don't go along with 699 00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:31,220 Reddit too much so that's me 700 00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:33,179 but uh 701 00:29:38,269 --> 00:29:35,880 but lore wise I mean yeah you you always 702 00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:38,279 hear like you know Native Americans 703 00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:40,679 saying that Bigfoot's come they said 704 00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:43,020 they said they should be like the like 705 00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:44,340 the protector of the woods and if you 706 00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,539 went out in the woods you know you got 707 00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:48,000 to take it and so I I don't get a lot of 708 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,720 stories like recently of Bigfoot's 709 00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:53,460 taking children I've heard from another 710 00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:55,380 person from another person that's 711 00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,179 happened but it's never never been 712 00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,960 factual or actually been uh proven or uh 713 00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,360 substantiated so 714 00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:05,520 I think that's interesting because it 715 00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:08,580 seems to be a common thing theme along 716 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:11,700 like a lot of the Paranormal like going 717 00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:15,240 back to trolls and Fae and into of 718 00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:18,059 course or of course the UFO issues the 719 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:19,620 concern that they keep interacting with 720 00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:22,860 children that's an interesting uh 721 00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:26,279 interesting one to tag on to Bigfoot too 722 00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,140 I mean you hear a lot of stuff like that 723 00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:30,240 go ahead go ahead go ahead Robert please 724 00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:32,039 please I was just going to say like like 725 00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,919 because I'm I'm I'm Spanish so you get a 726 00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:37,260 lot of Lords of like Thunderbirds uh 727 00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,380 brujas which are witches and uh you get 728 00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:42,179 uh you get a lot of stories of them like 729 00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:44,100 taking children as well and like from 730 00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:45,960 Villages and stuff like that so I don't 731 00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:48,179 know if it's just a common story that 732 00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:49,799 just kind of carries over to the next 733 00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:52,500 the next lore the next Cryptid so I I 734 00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:54,419 don't know that's that's it's just kind 735 00:30:59,389 --> 00:30:57,179 of common to me I wonder if it was 736 00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,399 something that you know was just kind of 737 00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:01,440 ingrained in humanity from an early 738 00:31:06,769 --> 00:31:04,860 start you know like say Like A Primitive 739 00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,779 tribes out there and the child wanders 740 00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,700 off or gets taken by a mountain lion or 741 00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:11,039 something and just disappears and you 742 00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,779 know the stories traveling around about 743 00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:14,880 children disappearing like that because 744 00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,460 we know that still today like people go 745 00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:18,960 camping and children wander off into the 746 00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:21,179 woods and disappear all the time uh 747 00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:23,100 sometimes they're found but most often 748 00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:24,000 they're not 749 00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,000 and I'm wondering if that's how it ended 750 00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:29,820 up in all these different uh pieces of 751 00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:32,220 folklore about them taking children like 752 00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:34,140 that 753 00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,559 Bobo told a story told two narratives 754 00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:42,240 everyone knows the one from North 755 00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:43,320 Carolina 756 00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,720 but they told two narratives about young 757 00:31:50,269 --> 00:31:48,480 children I think they were both male one 758 00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:50,279 may have been a female I've actually 759 00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:52,020 heard a third in Canada that was a 760 00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:55,080 female where the Bigfoot apparently kept 761 00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,980 the child warm and at night and guided 762 00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:00,480 the child back to where it came from 763 00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,899 there I mean one of them what the kid 764 00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,120 describes it certainly was not a bear 765 00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:07,919 that took care of them that's not 766 00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,299 happening 767 00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:11,820 yeah I had a I had a story in recently 768 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,279 probably like a season ago this lady 769 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,320 reached out to me uh she's lived in 770 00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,360 Texas but she was camping in Arkansas 771 00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:20,640 and she had a story of her little her 772 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,620 little boy I think at the time he was 773 00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:25,200 like four or five and they were they 774 00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:26,700 were camping somewhere in Arkansas I 775 00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:28,380 wish I could remember which one it was 776 00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,059 and 777 00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,399 um she had two sons one was ten the 778 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:34,860 other one was four or five and the the 779 00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:37,980 smallest one wandered off and they 780 00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,779 couldn't they couldn't find him so they 781 00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:42,000 were camping with other people in this 782 00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:43,980 one area so they kind of kind of got all 783 00:32:48,169 --> 00:32:46,200 together and they started Fanning out to 784 00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:48,179 go find this little boy and they must 785 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,860 look for like an hour 786 00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:52,320 and whenever he eventually came back 787 00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,659 like an hour and he told his he told his 788 00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:56,640 mom which is the lady that was on that 789 00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:58,500 was talking to me about it she said that 790 00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:01,919 uh he was he was guided back by two 791 00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:03,779 talking bears 792 00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,899 and the mama bear was holding the baby 793 00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:09,120 and the daddy bear was arguing with the 794 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:10,919 mama bear and they were like corralling 795 00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:13,919 him with their arms to go back 796 00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:15,740 and so that was probably one of those 797 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,140 you know strangest Amazing Stories I 798 00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:21,240 ever had I said man that's that I go can 799 00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:24,600 I tell that story please so so that was 800 00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:26,700 that was a really really good story and 801 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:29,159 I wish I I recall what lake or what 802 00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:31,620 camping ground that was at but Prime 803 00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,140 Time what do you think about that 804 00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:37,200 oh man I love these kinds of stories 805 00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:40,620 um and I also I'm really taken with this 806 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,320 sort of perennialist but on the subject 807 00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:45,600 like that these stories show up across 808 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,919 different cultures across different 809 00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:49,260 geographies throughout time 810 00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:51,059 um you know what I always come back to 811 00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,539 with the subject of Cryptids or with 812 00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:56,580 um like the continuity of these myths 813 00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:58,620 Legends folklore's I use those terms 814 00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,659 without conferring like belief or not 815 00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:02,700 beliefs it's just sort of popular 816 00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:05,159 popular imagination 817 00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,540 um is I'm always curious and wondering 818 00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:11,580 basically 819 00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,740 how much of these are strict materialist 820 00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:15,839 phenomena and how much of them aren't 821 00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:18,839 and I I bring that up because 822 00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:21,419 um when we had Vicon to talk about the 823 00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:22,859 dog man this was something that he 824 00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,560 talked about if I recall like this sort 825 00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:27,780 of evolution of his view on the subject 826 00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,960 from being a strictly materialist 827 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,119 um physical phenomena to something 828 00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,280 um I think much deeper or more 829 00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,440 sophisticated than just base physical 830 00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:39,780 reality 831 00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:42,300 um and so uh that's my very long 832 00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,220 circuitous way of saying that like when 833 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:47,280 I hear like a child recounting this kind 834 00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,760 of story right like where or how like I 835 00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:52,800 you wouldn't expect a kid to have that 836 00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:55,619 that uh nuanced of a world view to be 837 00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,180 able to just craft and make up something 838 00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,040 like this 839 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:01,859 um let alone a motivation 840 00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,460 um and I'm 841 00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,920 I don't know I I I just love these kinds 842 00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,079 of stories I think uh or these 843 00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,760 narratives or these experiences that 844 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:13,740 people report because I think they speak 845 00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:15,540 to 846 00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:16,920 um 847 00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:19,079 they speak to events I think that have 848 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:20,640 happened throughout human history and 849 00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,480 also uh address some of the most like 850 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,820 Primal fears that humans possess right 851 00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:29,040 the loss of a child the the mystery of 852 00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:31,079 losing a child and then the delivery 853 00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:38,510 yeah and Matt and and and Robert jump in 854 00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:40,380 on this because there's been first of 855 00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:41,880 all there's been multiple stories about 856 00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:44,579 hearing them speak in that manner which 857 00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:47,339 the child described from from seasoned 858 00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,520 adults in the Woods by the way man I I 859 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,079 I'm sorry one more thing to say which is 860 00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,760 I come to stay to remember like my 861 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,500 Bigfoot education came from coast to 862 00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:57,720 coast to Amazon right in the 90s and 863 00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:59,880 early arts and I say that because I can 864 00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,260 distinctly remember him playing 865 00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:03,359 recordings I think there was like a very 866 00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:04,740 specific recording he played pretty 867 00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:07,500 frequently any years explicitly yeah the 868 00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:09,060 Sierra sounds and he explicitly talked 869 00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:10,680 about how it sounded like Bigfoot's 870 00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:12,359 fighting 871 00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:16,020 um yeah yeah uh and so it was kind of 872 00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:17,400 interesting too to hear that description 873 00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,079 brought up 874 00:36:23,089 --> 00:36:21,300 yeah I I know I interviewed this one guy 875 00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:23,099 and he didn't know anything about 876 00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:25,619 Bigfoot and he said that it sounded like 877 00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:27,900 a samurai that's when he said it sounds 878 00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:30,440 like it sounded like 879 00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:34,079 that and I go I go exactly like that he 880 00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:36,839 goes exactly so 881 00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:39,180 um that to me that was amazing whenever 882 00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,119 he told me that story so 883 00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,400 yeah I mean there's there's a multiple 884 00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:46,859 people I don't know how many I know Matt 885 00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,140 knows so I'm sure Robert knows some of 886 00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:51,839 hearing a Native American dialect 887 00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:52,680 um 888 00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:56,880 Oklahoma if you guys can help me out 889 00:37:01,370 --> 00:36:59,700 that has the uh the uh the piece of 890 00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,380 property that Rick Taylor went to what's 891 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,079 her name again Arlo Williams yeah Arlo 892 00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:07,200 Williams you know speak Cherokee and 893 00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:09,060 hears them speaking that there's a guy 894 00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,119 from uh Georgia named Alex uh midnight 895 00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:14,520 Walker who would 896 00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:17,460 um hear elements of Spanish and would 897 00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:20,220 would speak Spanish to them and play his 898 00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:22,920 guitar for them and they would they 899 00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:24,300 would make noises when he would stop 900 00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,740 playing his guitar 901 00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:28,140 uh Alex would go out there he'd go a 902 00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,460 couple miles out into the woods by 903 00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,960 himself in the middle of the night and 904 00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,119 do this I'm sure you guys remember him 905 00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:35,760 so there's there's so much out there 906 00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:38,579 Prime Time on on on these guys and also 907 00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:40,380 real quickly Matt and I discussed this 908 00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:41,940 the other night but there's a British 909 00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:44,820 woman who came in the late 80s to work 910 00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:47,460 in Mountain View California in the early 911 00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,760 software computer days and had an 912 00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:53,640 experience where she went out to one of 913 00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:55,260 those trailheads that led to the beach 914 00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:58,500 and was sitting out there and as she was 915 00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,420 getting ready to photograph the sunset 916 00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:03,599 she was offset from the trailhead so you 917 00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,119 know she was laterally away from it and 918 00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:08,940 supposedly a family of Bigfoots came out 919 00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:11,579 and got into the water and started 920 00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:12,900 playing in the water and playing with 921 00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:16,500 the seaweed and she nearly had a heart 922 00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,780 attack dropped her camera lens and when 923 00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,119 the alpha male turned around she was 924 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,359 absolutely Frozen and it was the female 925 00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,400 that was great sort of grabbing in him 926 00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:28,140 telling him don't you know don't go over 927 00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,540 there don't go over there you know in 928 00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:32,640 whatever their language is and she 929 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:34,980 talked about them chantering back and 930 00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:37,980 forth quote unquote that that sounded 931 00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:39,780 like what they described and that 932 00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:42,119 Samurai chatter and Sierra sounds at 933 00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,859 least anyway it was a terrifying 934 00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:45,900 encounter she ended up getting drugged 935 00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:48,660 back to her about 30 yards from her car 936 00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:52,380 and kind of left there uh uh by whatever 937 00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,060 she just passed out and doesn't know 938 00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:55,440 what happened but she got drugged back 939 00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:01,370 even if these aren't malevolent 940 00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,420 encounters I can imagine that having the 941 00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,220 in and of themselves are almost dramatic 942 00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,200 right because they're so 943 00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:10,380 um shocking and surprising yes 944 00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:13,619 yes uh well when you have you know the 945 00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,180 way that she tells it if you have an 946 00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:17,520 alpha male staring at you and he won't 947 00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:20,280 remove his eyes from you and he's trying 948 00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,780 to get over to you and he's sort of 949 00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:24,720 being held back by the the matriarch of 950 00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:27,300 this family and then eventually pulls 951 00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:28,980 away from her and starts making his way 952 00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:31,020 toward you I mean we've heard of people 953 00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:33,060 urinating we heard of people passing out 954 00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:35,460 all these things are commonplace in 955 00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:36,780 Bigfoot 956 00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:39,420 um slightly different than than the type 957 00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,940 of fear from UFOs although you know if 958 00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:43,440 you talk to Travis Walton he might 959 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:45,540 differ with that but but 960 00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:48,060 um there's a physical imposition that's 961 00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:49,859 going on there that that generally 962 00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:53,520 people aren't experiencing uh with with 963 00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:55,560 the gray that they may feel like they're 964 00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:57,000 bigger than even though if they have no 965 00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:58,980 power over it so I'm sorry take it away 966 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:01,260 Matt and Robert with whatever commentary 967 00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:02,160 on that 968 00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,660 oh 969 00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:05,520 I'm thinking about telling a story but I 970 00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:08,040 don't know uh 971 00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,000 I mean fair warning now this story is 972 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:13,920 somewhat X-rated 973 00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:17,460 uh I I know I believe I believe it 974 00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:20,579 happened in the Van Halen album title so 975 00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:21,960 fair warning you're good to go right 976 00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:24,300 there yeah I believe 977 00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:27,780 it happened in the Red River area 978 00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:31,440 along the Red River somewhere uh so the 979 00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:34,619 story goes there was a a lady who had 980 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,420 gone into an argument with her husband 981 00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,280 or her boyfriend or something and had 982 00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:41,520 taken off in the pickup truck and she is 983 00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,240 pulled down in the riverbed area uh 984 00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:47,880 there's areas where it's very shallow 985 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:50,820 and Sandy on each side almost like a 986 00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:54,540 beach and it sits much lower so like you 987 00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:56,579 if you were 30 yards off of the river 988 00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:59,339 you wouldn't be able to see over the we 989 00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:01,260 have this Tall Grass that's about four 990 00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,140 feet tall you know and it's down lower 991 00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:06,540 so she was well out of view of anybody 992 00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:08,460 she goes out in the middle of nowhere 993 00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:10,920 and uh she had 994 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,020 slept or I 995 00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:15,300 just to be fully transparent she might 996 00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:16,440 have passed out she might have been 997 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:19,020 drinking I don't remember but she slept 998 00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,280 in the truck 999 00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:23,520 and at some point uh early early in the 1000 00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,359 morning 1001 00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,119 uh it was Daylight 1002 00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,760 she was woken up by something and she's 1003 00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:31,859 like laying kind of in the seat of the 1004 00:41:36,670 --> 00:41:33,780 truck all stretched out and she opens 1005 00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:36,680 her eyes and at her feet 1006 00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,980 is a very large Bigfoot staring at her 1007 00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:42,359 through the window 1008 00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:44,040 and uh 1009 00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,660 he is self-pleasuring himself 1010 00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:50,880 and she freaks out and you know 1011 00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:52,619 scrunches her legs up and draws up 1012 00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:55,079 against the window of the opposite side 1013 00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:58,380 up against the door and she can now see 1014 00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,680 a female Bigfoot standing kind of 1015 00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:03,119 farther up 1016 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:05,160 towards the front of the truck past the 1017 00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,420 front of the truck 1018 00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,839 and the female preg is pregnant uh 1019 00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:11,940 visibly pregnant 1020 00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:13,880 and starts 1021 00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:17,400 saying something she can tell by its 1022 00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:18,240 tone 1023 00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:21,960 this female Bigfoot is very unpleased 1024 00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:25,260 with what's going on you know she's 1025 00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:27,900 bitching at him basically this is a 1026 00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:30,119 family show I just everybody that you 1027 00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:31,500 know but go ahead 1028 00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:33,720 uh so 1029 00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:36,420 the mill stops and like looks at the 1030 00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:37,980 female Bigfoot and then kind of looks 1031 00:42:44,109 --> 00:42:40,820 back at her and there's more you know 1032 00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,119 back and forth and then the male Bigfoot 1033 00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:46,800 walks off and joins the female and they 1034 00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:49,320 walk off down the riverbed and disappear 1035 00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:51,900 outside and the woman hauls it out of 1036 00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:52,619 there 1037 00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:54,540 Robert how do you say you're cut off in 1038 00:43:04,430 --> 00:42:58,200 Bigfoot do you know the actual words 1039 00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:07,010 so that is the first time I've ever 1040 00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,400 heard that 1041 00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,800 but there is that question so I I'm 1042 00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:12,660 gonna have to bring it up 1043 00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:15,480 because you guys have heard a lot of 1044 00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,160 stories and I have heard a lot of 1045 00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:18,960 stories from people and of their 1046 00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,420 experiences where Bigfoot is looking in 1047 00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:24,240 the window and a lot of and a lot of 1048 00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:25,859 times there's a female involved not 1049 00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:27,720 always sometimes there's a male 1050 00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:30,839 sometimes it's a it's a young person 1051 00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:33,660 but a lot of times it's attributed to 1052 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,380 curiosity uh what what is your take on I 1053 00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:41,040 mean Matt Bob what is your take on if 1054 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,990 by all means the floor is yours sir 1055 00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:51,900 there's been there's been a couple 1056 00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:54,660 there's been a couple cases where a lady 1057 00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:57,720 reached out to me and at the time I 1058 00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,339 think I forgot what county it was but 1059 00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,960 they were burning trash they were they 1060 00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:03,119 were burning their trash and she was 1061 00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,619 getting a Bigfoot coming to her back 1062 00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:06,720 back of her house look into the windows 1063 00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:09,180 she had two two young girls the entire 1064 00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,839 life you know five and six so uh I asked 1065 00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,640 her a bunch of questions and I you know 1066 00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:16,800 we got to the part of her burnt trash 1067 00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,839 and then I asked her I said this is 1068 00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:20,700 gonna be a personal question I go but 1069 00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,060 are you a heavy bleeder and she said yes 1070 00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,680 I am 1071 00:44:30,349 --> 00:44:28,380 and I I hate to say that but you know 1072 00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,359 because like she was burning she was 1073 00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,460 burning her stuff at the at you know at 1074 00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:33,839 the I guess the end of the week or 1075 00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,220 something and she would leave it out 1076 00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:37,920 there so the big foot was attracted 1077 00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,400 to her her bleeding and so I told her I 1078 00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,380 said this is what you do you know 1079 00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:45,839 freezer Ziploc bag for some girls put it 1080 00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,880 in a Ziploc put it in the freezer when 1081 00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:49,920 you're ready to burn it take it out and 1082 00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:52,859 burn it so I eventually told her that at 1083 00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,260 the time uh I told her to you know Kmart 1084 00:44:59,770 --> 00:44:57,599 was available in Walmart back then I 1085 00:45:03,410 --> 00:44:59,780 said go to Kmart go to Walmart recycle 1086 00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:03,420 yeah do that and also get you some um 1087 00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,020 some uh some game trackers and they they 1088 00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:09,839 run off C batteries and just put them in 1089 00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:10,920 back to your house and you won't see a 1090 00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:13,619 Bigfoot again that's what I told her and 1091 00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:16,200 um so that was that was the case on a 1092 00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,300 couple times that you know I've had to 1093 00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:21,680 tell somebody okay and you know it 1094 00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:24,119 it's just kind of awkward whenever you 1095 00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:25,619 talk about stuff like that but you know 1096 00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:27,060 you gotta get to the root of the matter 1097 00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:28,740 and trying to you know try to help the 1098 00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:30,359 people the like the best they can 1099 00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:31,800 because she clearly didn't want to see a 1100 00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,900 big but you know with her kids and stuff 1101 00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:34,800 so 1102 00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:38,760 I mean you guys are acting like 1103 00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:39,900 detectives and they have to ask 1104 00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,900 uncomfortable questions Leah I mean all 1105 00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:45,599 I would say is that I don't want to date 1106 00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:47,880 a female Bigfoot but I I would at least 1107 00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:49,500 it would be nice to know if she thought 1108 00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:50,819 I was attractive 1109 00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:55,260 yeah yes I I wanted a comment if I can 1110 00:46:02,750 --> 00:45:58,980 that yes ma'am please of course I do 1111 00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:02,760 some deep Dives on anthropology and what 1112 00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:04,920 they've discovered about hominins on the 1113 00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:07,020 planet and one thing that they've said 1114 00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:10,500 recently is that it may have been that 1115 00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:13,560 when hominins for interbreeding they may 1116 00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:16,980 not have had the same problem of species 1117 00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,700 being unable to breed back in the day 1118 00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:22,079 um that there may have been more 1119 00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,780 different rules for nature back in the 1120 00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,680 day 1121 00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:27,780 so like these different hominins may 1122 00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:30,119 have actually been different species so 1123 00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:32,099 there was attraction between different 1124 00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:34,020 species back in the days what I was 1125 00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:36,180 gonna follow up on 1126 00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:38,280 um that's like most recent research 1127 00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:39,780 essentially 1128 00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,460 Deb I was gonna say you make an 1129 00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,160 interesting point but I I think 1130 00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,079 um I have heard researchers say this 1131 00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,660 before and I'm sure Matt and Robert have 1132 00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:50,940 heard this Deb but they've said well an 1133 00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:53,220 elk isn't attracted to a deer and vice 1134 00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:55,800 versa but they're very close cousins so 1135 00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,680 and what you guys take on on on that uh 1136 00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:01,200 attraction piece Madison and Robert now 1137 00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,160 go ahead Deb 1138 00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:04,560 oh I had a question too that's what I 1139 00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,540 was gonna have switched gears but I will 1140 00:47:10,849 --> 00:47:08,880 say for that I think like any canine 1141 00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:10,859 they're gonna mess with each other like 1142 00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:14,339 you know a fox they don't care 1143 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,140 yeah I was gonna say there's plenty of 1144 00:47:28,849 --> 00:47:18,480 examples of like cross species warning 1145 00:47:31,569 --> 00:47:30,170 should be talking about a completely 1146 00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:31,579 different subject 1147 00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:35,640 I can put skiers with my questions let 1148 00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:37,560 me just say this okay I I mean I know 1149 00:47:42,650 --> 00:47:38,760 we're having a good time and we're 1150 00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:42,660 joking around but honestly so I mean 1151 00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:44,900 there's a lot of theory out there okay 1152 00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:48,720 uh and one of those theories is that 1153 00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,500 these uh things live in groups very 1154 00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:54,540 similar to 1155 00:48:01,970 --> 00:47:58,560 uh basically other primates where you 1156 00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:01,980 have an alpha male in the group 1157 00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,040 and that if you're a subordinate male 1158 00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:07,440 you eventually reach an age where you 1159 00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:11,220 have certain desires and if they can't 1160 00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:12,540 uh 1161 00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,140 solve those issues among the group 1162 00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:18,240 because the alpha male won't like let 1163 00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,020 them then those subordinate Mills might 1164 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:24,660 seek it elsewhere and that's where you 1165 00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:27,180 get a lot of these stories and what 1166 00:48:32,170 --> 00:48:28,560 you're talking about looking in the 1167 00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:32,180 windows yes there are countless stories 1168 00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:35,460 of they are looking in the windows at 1169 00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:40,800 women or teenage girls uh we Robert and 1170 00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:43,560 I both know a lady down in Texas who's a 1171 00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:46,500 veteran of this field a long long time 1172 00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:49,500 researcher and 1173 00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:51,240 as a matter of fact the first time I 1174 00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:53,160 ever went on a huge group outing we 1175 00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,760 stayed at her house and she was at the 1176 00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:59,040 time married to a gentleman who was a a 1177 00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:02,099 long over the road truck driver 1178 00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:04,500 and these things were coming up to her 1179 00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:07,020 house when he would leave 1180 00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:10,020 and only when he would leave and he 1181 00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:13,079 parked his truck uh basically at the end 1182 00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:14,940 of the road where they lived 1183 00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:17,880 and whenever you heard his truck pull up 1184 00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:19,319 and Park 1185 00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,240 the activity would stop until he left 1186 00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:23,640 town again and it wouldn't start back up 1187 00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:27,000 until he had been gone for a day or two 1188 00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,680 and they were coming right up to her 1189 00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:30,720 bedroom window she got some amazing 1190 00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:34,020 audio recorded over the years by setting 1191 00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,359 a recorder in her bedroom window at 1192 00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:38,760 night okay now I have another question 1193 00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,990 both of you have you heard stories of 1194 00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:46,740 one male with lots of females like 1195 00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:50,880 primates tend to gravitate towards 1196 00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:53,880 I haven't I haven't heard of any 1197 00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:56,339 sightings of lots of females 1198 00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,920 I I haven't either and I did wanted to 1199 00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,960 add to the story I was talking about 1200 00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,839 about the the lady with the heavy 1201 00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:06,240 bleeder she did state that the Bigfoot 1202 00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:07,440 that was coming to the back of her house 1203 00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:11,460 was extremely skinny and like linky and 1204 00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:14,760 not not a like a big big film so it was 1205 00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,160 yeah it was to me it was like maybe a 1206 00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:18,480 juvenile that got pushed out of the 1207 00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:19,280 group 1208 00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,500 and he was looking for you know a mate 1209 00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:25,200 or something and so her husband was also 1210 00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:27,780 a trucker and so whenever he left town 1211 00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:30,119 you know this activity happened as well 1212 00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:32,220 so she whenever she rested whenever she 1213 00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:34,020 reached out to me I think I talked to 1214 00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:35,099 her for like three or four months 1215 00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,800 afterwards and uh just she would call me 1216 00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:39,599 at three o'clock in the morning and we 1217 00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,060 would talk and uh I would talk her 1218 00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:43,920 through stuff and I said I wouldn't I 1219 00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:44,819 wouldn't be able to get out there till 1220 00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,740 you know this weekend it's Thursday so 1221 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,960 but uh but I just wanted to mention that 1222 00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:50,640 I forgot to mention that in that story 1223 00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:51,540 so 1224 00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:54,780 Matt is is a Bigfoot dating site for 1225 00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:57,900 these lonely teen bigfoots in the offing 1226 00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,420 like maybe we could become more popular 1227 00:51:04,609 --> 00:51:02,520 among them if we're able to provide 1228 00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:04,619 we'll go out try to get some photographs 1229 00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:06,660 of eligible females males and then they 1230 00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:08,940 can migrate I mean you might have just 1231 00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:11,839 deciphered the stick formations 1232 00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:14,220 that might be what those are actually 1233 00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:17,160 I'm single ready to mingle is what that 1234 00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:20,700 big a with the okay there we go this 1235 00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,020 could be it I think we're on to 1236 00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:24,720 something here Robert do not want to 1237 00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:28,500 camp ever Deb feel free to change topics 1238 00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,619 I can't believe I've camped alone as 1239 00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:33,839 much as I have and never had a Bigfoot 1240 00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:36,900 oh man okay okay I'm changing the topic 1241 00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:44,510 Bigfoot people seriously well okay yeah 1242 00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,859 that's over now guys sorry 1243 00:51:52,250 --> 00:51:48,720 um that's it we're never camping now 1244 00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:52,260 also okay so um I just wanted to say 1245 00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:55,140 that when we were talking before about 1246 00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,559 that speech pattern that tends to be 1247 00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:01,680 um either infrasound or telepathic it 1248 00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:03,780 made me wonder if the Bigfoot Community 1249 00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,599 has done experience or research like we 1250 00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:08,640 do with the UFO community and other 1251 00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,700 communities is anyone taking Bigfoot 1252 00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:14,160 experiencers and like studying what's 1253 00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:16,140 going on possibly with their abilities 1254 00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:18,180 their brains and things like that like 1255 00:52:23,809 --> 00:52:20,819 they do with the UFO community 1256 00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,819 uh I don't know anyone that's actually 1257 00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:25,680 doing that do you Matt 1258 00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:28,980 no but I mean Peter bankman of 1259 00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:30,660 Ghostbusters that's definitely how I 1260 00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:32,700 would go about it if I were to start 1261 00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:33,900 doing it 1262 00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:36,960 uh with the you know the ESP cards 1263 00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:40,260 um in all seriousness no uh where the 1264 00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:42,839 UFO Community tends to have a lot more 1265 00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:45,720 structure uh with things like that the 1266 00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:47,099 Bigfoot community 1267 00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:49,859 there's so much uh infighting and 1268 00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:53,160 division based on Theory and conjecture 1269 00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:57,000 and just personality types uh 1270 00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:00,420 I mean the idea of coming together for a 1271 00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:02,460 cause like that I mean it might be 1272 00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:05,640 happening but not on a level like it 1273 00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:09,500 should be uh and I'm certainly not aware 1274 00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:12,900 of anybody doing it well it's not in 1275 00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:16,260 public right for people to observe and 1276 00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,579 see because 1277 00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,440 they're just not like that 1278 00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:21,839 yeah I just want to say and Julie's 1279 00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,079 asking uh Sasquatch harem's Jules 1280 00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:27,119 um you know I I we the the problem is 1281 00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:29,220 that we don't know about the I don't 1282 00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,180 know if you would call it animal 1283 00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:32,940 husbandry or they you know the the the 1284 00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:37,040 mating rituals of Bigfoots we we suspect 1285 00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:41,579 that sometimes when the teenager gets to 1286 00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:43,260 where at the point where he could be an 1287 00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:45,480 alpha male sometimes he'll have to leave 1288 00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:47,579 the tribe and go out on his own people 1289 00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:50,460 will talk about a very well quaffed 1290 00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,440 Bigfoot where the hair is combed and 1291 00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:54,599 they look very clean and taken care of 1292 00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:57,540 and that that may be your Alpha uh and 1293 00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:59,160 and the females in the group taking care 1294 00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:01,800 of them and then some when when a 1295 00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:03,300 teenager gets old enough and big enough 1296 00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:04,740 and be like okay it's time for you to go 1297 00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:06,780 and find your own your own group and 1298 00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:08,460 that's when they can get in trouble they 1299 00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:11,579 get into areas uh where maybe you 1300 00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:14,040 wouldn't see a family unit and all these 1301 00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:15,480 sorts of things can come into play but 1302 00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:16,980 we really don't the answers we really 1303 00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:20,640 don't know and night gazers saying so we 1304 00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:23,700 just need a hot chick to lure one into a 1305 00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:27,119 trap so you know if you know Deb and yes 1306 00:54:32,049 --> 00:54:29,640 hello is willing to I'm not sure Mr 1307 00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:32,059 Prime would be good with this 1308 00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:34,440 it's going to look a lot like King Kong 1309 00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:37,920 but no I'm getting back to what you guys 1310 00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:39,900 are saying I'm sorry 1311 00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:42,540 um so yeah I'm sorry get to take it away 1312 00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:44,460 Matt 1313 00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:51,290 there's so many so many things uh to 1314 00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:54,300 discuss but what Deb says is uh you know 1315 00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:56,220 what you said was true to Debs uh the 1316 00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:58,020 Bigfoot Community First of all there's a 1317 00:55:02,329 --> 00:54:59,819 stigma attached to anything of what 1318 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,339 we're talking about and there's a lot of 1319 00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:05,520 uh quote serious Bigfoot researchers 1320 00:55:09,609 --> 00:55:07,619 unquote that would look like when you 1321 00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,619 start talking about this aspect about 1322 00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,520 infrasound and all that they're not 1323 00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:13,440 interested to discuss it's it's kind of 1324 00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,440 a non-starter yeah I think yeah I think 1325 00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:19,440 it has a lot to do with just uh 1326 00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:22,700 the whole mindset and the fear of 1327 00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:25,619 appearances to the public and you know 1328 00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:27,780 their peers in the Bigfoot community and 1329 00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:30,300 everything they're 1330 00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:34,559 there's this underlying fear uh with a 1331 00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:36,300 lot of researchers I mean if you take 1332 00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:38,099 somebody we'll just say Cliff barrickman 1333 00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:41,880 okay he he's put his face out there uh 1334 00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,339 he's obviously well known from Finding 1335 00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:46,920 Bigfoot and everything if he were to run 1336 00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:50,760 across uh situations which I know he has 1337 00:55:57,470 --> 00:55:52,260 of 1338 00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:57,480 blood as we understand it uh being tied 1339 00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,400 to a Bigfoot event 1340 00:56:02,530 --> 00:56:01,200 he wouldn't talk about it he wouldn't 1341 00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:02,540 put it out there 1342 00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,660 he would be overly concerned that you 1343 00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:09,420 know we have to do everything by the 1344 00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:12,300 scientific book to try and prove that 1345 00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:14,040 these creatures exist and the only way 1346 00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:15,960 we're going to accomplish that is by 1347 00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:18,599 sticking to the rules that the 1348 00:56:23,809 --> 00:56:21,000 scientific Community has laid out 1349 00:56:26,809 --> 00:56:23,819 uh and beyond that they're they're just 1350 00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:26,819 not even going to entertain any Notions 1351 00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,220 and you and I have talked enough you 1352 00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:31,440 know obviously Robert you know and I 1353 00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:35,119 have talked at exhaustion about it 1354 00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,359 we don't know that Bigfoot isn't just 1355 00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:42,240 flesh and blood what we do know is that 1356 00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:45,000 people report things happening 1357 00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:48,720 and that the Paranormal and UFOs and 1358 00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:51,720 everything else out there overlaps one 1359 00:56:55,730 --> 00:56:54,180 another and that includes into the 1360 00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:55,740 Bigfoot world 1361 00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,000 so 1362 00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:59,280 how do we prove that there's really no 1363 00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:01,140 way to prove that Bigfoot can or can't 1364 00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:03,960 do things like Deb was saying uh 1365 00:57:09,470 --> 00:57:05,940 something very interesting about the 1366 00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,480 whole uh telepathic abilities of Bigfoot 1367 00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:12,240 there are people uh Robert and I both 1368 00:57:16,609 --> 00:57:14,819 know people that have claimed to have 1369 00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:16,619 heard a voice in their head coming from 1370 00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,599 the Bigfoot but then whenever you start 1371 00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,720 asking them specific questions 1372 00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:23,040 why do you think it came from the 1373 00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,540 Bigfoot well they were out there looking 1374 00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:27,359 for bigfoot so it must have been a 1375 00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,660 Bigfoot yes but that's not necessarily 1376 00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:33,000 true it you know it could be their own 1377 00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:35,700 intuition it could be their own psychic 1378 00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,900 abilities that they didn't even know 1379 00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:38,880 they had it could be divine intervention 1380 00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:42,180 we don't know the source of the voice we 1381 00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:43,980 just know that the voice according to 1382 00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:46,020 them isn't theirs it wasn't their 1383 00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:48,420 conscious doing it but since they were 1384 00:57:58,730 --> 00:57:49,980 out looking for bigfoot they've 1385 00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:01,970 again because I I'm so fascinated by the 1386 00:58:07,329 --> 00:58:04,400 discussions around this subject about 1387 00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:07,339 materialism versus 1388 00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:14,160 the few or two and 1389 00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:16,200 um even just how we contextualize and 1390 00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:18,540 interpret 1391 00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,240 um strange and mysterious Encounters in 1392 00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:23,280 daily life right like like you said like 1393 00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:27,660 this whole idea of connecting uh an 1394 00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:30,180 internal Voice or monologue to a Bigfoot 1395 00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:31,740 experience this is so fascinating it 1396 00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,000 reminds me of when I started to put 1397 00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:36,480 together like oh uh when I hear people 1398 00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,420 talk about experiences from a UFO 1399 00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,000 perspective to me in the league of 1400 00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:44,160 reality that maps to spiritual emergence 1401 00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,540 and once I started seeing those 1402 00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,040 parallels I was like oh yeah this is 1403 00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:48,720 like actually super common like lots of 1404 00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,760 people have these things happen 1405 00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,559 um it's just that people interpret and 1406 00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:54,599 contextualize them so differently based 1407 00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,040 on where they happen and the 1408 00:59:00,829 --> 00:58:57,920 circumstances and their sort of 1409 00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:00,839 anthropological and cultural framing 1410 00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,480 um again I I don't have strong beliefs 1411 00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:05,040 on this subject as much as I'm always 1412 00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:06,660 really fascinated by how people 1413 00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:10,020 understand and interpret uh what happens 1414 00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:11,520 to them 1415 00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:12,900 um and kind of build them into their 1416 00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:14,460 personal cosmologies of how they 1417 00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:16,140 understand reality and assign meaning 1418 00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,640 and stuff 1419 00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:19,680 there is a I just want to say one thing 1420 00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,380 about what Leah said there is a bit of a 1421 00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:24,720 weighted system though right Leah like 1422 00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:27,000 if if you say like Travis Walton for 1423 00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:30,480 example you had five witnesses or 1424 00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:33,480 whatever in the truck that saw what 1425 00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,380 happened to him and then he was gone so 1426 00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:39,420 um you also have people like you know 1427 00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,420 we've spoken to Linda Thompson and she 1428 00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:45,359 said there are times when my husband is 1429 00:59:50,089 --> 00:59:47,400 woken up and I'm not there 1430 00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:50,099 so there's something you know there's 1431 00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:52,440 sort of a a backup there's something 1432 00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:55,799 tangible right there he wakes up I'm not 1433 00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,720 there my keys are there where in the 1434 01:00:01,549 --> 00:59:59,760 hell is my wife you know if people are 1435 01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,559 having these experiences then there's a 1436 01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:04,559 little more weight to them than someone 1437 01:00:09,710 --> 01:00:07,380 that could be in a dream like State and 1438 01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:09,720 and dreams can be very very real we know 1439 01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:11,460 that we all saw Freddy Krueger just 1440 01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,660 kidding 1441 01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:15,119 um I have not seen Freddy Krueger well 1442 01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:18,359 good it's probably for the best yes it 1443 01:00:22,490 --> 01:00:20,940 is but but but for example I want to 1444 01:00:25,609 --> 01:00:22,500 point out and this is a popular One 1445 01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,619 Survivor Man Les Stroud now 1446 01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,559 if you took somebody like me who's not 1447 01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:31,200 in the woods all that much hasn't camped 1448 01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,000 out all that much at least lately yeah 1449 01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:34,799 I've been through survival school and 1450 01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:37,020 all that good stuff but I I don't spend 1451 01:00:43,309 --> 01:00:39,960 anywhere near the kind of time alone in 1452 01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,319 the woods that Survivorman does and if 1453 01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:45,839 he were to say you know with the 1454 01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:47,880 thousands of hours that he has spent in 1455 01:00:52,849 --> 01:00:50,400 the woods as a professional survivalist 1456 01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,859 and he's never heard voices in his head 1457 01:00:56,930 --> 01:00:54,720 and then all of a sudden he heard 1458 01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:56,940 something that carries a little more 1459 01:01:02,630 --> 01:00:59,640 weight to me than somebody who doesn't 1460 01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:02,640 who's not a professional Woodsman if you 1461 01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:06,599 will oh yes for sure yeah that that's my 1462 01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,579 interpretation and I'm not saying that 1463 01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,559 you know there's probably people that 1464 01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:13,200 like Matt said it could be just a voice 1465 01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:14,760 in your head telling me I need to get 1466 01:01:19,130 --> 01:01:17,160 out of here now I don't I don't need to 1467 01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,140 walk further down this Trail I think 1468 01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,119 that's what Matt was alluding I need to 1469 01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,000 turn turn back and head towards camp but 1470 01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:26,880 there also is it possible that someone 1471 01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:30,059 like survivor man who you know I mean it 1472 01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:32,040 doesn't exist for hey what's up man 1473 01:01:35,809 --> 01:01:34,020 Tim's in the house I was just speaking 1474 01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,819 with Tim Halloran Bigfoot influencers 1475 01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:38,280 early working on another book well um 1476 01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:39,900 but anyway Robert you look like you got 1477 01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:41,220 some brother 1478 01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:43,260 hey I wanted to ask you guys I'm going 1479 01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:44,400 to change subject I want to ask you guys 1480 01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:47,839 a question sure um I'm fascinated by 1481 01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:50,940 Ingrid Cole I wanted y'all's take on 1482 01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,220 intercoal 1483 01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:55,440 in case anyone who doesn't know the 1484 01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:56,640 context 1485 01:02:02,450 --> 01:01:59,640 um that is actually in the Mothman 1486 01:02:05,450 --> 01:02:02,460 Prophecies movie it was another legend 1487 01:02:08,329 --> 01:02:05,460 that got mushed in with that one and 1488 01:02:10,490 --> 01:02:08,339 it's about an individual that is also 1489 01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,500 known as The Smiling man that has been 1490 01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:13,680 seen in a couple cases he's like an 1491 01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:16,140 entity that has this huge grin on his 1492 01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:18,540 face and he told someone he encountered 1493 01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:25,789 unfamiliar he's in a couple books right 1494 01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:27,900 he's in Alan Greenspan's book 1495 01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,200 he's in Stephen keel's book I think yes 1496 01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,079 oh yeah yeah Kiel talks about him it 1497 01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:35,760 also feels like there's some overlap in 1498 01:02:42,370 --> 01:02:38,400 the Venn diagram with uh Ben and black 1499 01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:44,990 yeah his description always his 1500 01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:46,920 description always seemed to match a Men 1501 01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:49,740 In Black type scenario to me 1502 01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:52,559 yeah which kind of slips into my labs 1503 01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:53,880 actually because there's like this 1504 01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,799 overlap between 1505 01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:57,599 um entities and entities wearing 1506 01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:03,770 yeah I was I've been I was intrigued by 1507 01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,180 that that guy and I I don't know I just 1508 01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:08,960 wanted to ask you something so 1509 01:03:14,289 --> 01:03:11,760 you know if I had to give out my theory 1510 01:03:17,930 --> 01:03:14,299 on it it seems like what often happens 1511 01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:17,940 is that we're getting almost 1512 01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,040 um a hallucination of what the actual 1513 01:03:25,630 --> 01:03:22,799 entity might be like 1514 01:03:28,670 --> 01:03:25,640 um a hologram like if we're not actually 1515 01:03:32,210 --> 01:03:28,680 encountering the authentic entity that 1516 01:03:33,770 --> 01:03:32,220 we're encountering some kind of Illusion 1517 01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:33,780 um and this is why I was making that 1518 01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:36,960 comment earlier because I I'm really 1519 01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:39,660 thinking we need to investigate if it is 1520 01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:42,839 an external thing or something within us 1521 01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:44,520 that is allowing us to have these 1522 01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:47,220 experiences if we're like a lot of 1523 01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,500 people are using the term antennas so to 1524 01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:51,359 speak and it would be great if someone 1525 01:03:55,789 --> 01:03:53,640 listening wanted to investigate that 1526 01:03:57,289 --> 01:03:55,799 would be quite experiences a little bit 1527 01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,299 more deeply 1528 01:04:02,089 --> 01:03:58,799 hmm 1529 01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:02,099 oh Dad yes I mean that's that's 1530 01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:05,880 something uh that I've tried to you know 1531 01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:09,119 dip my toes into with my own podcast is 1532 01:04:16,450 --> 01:04:12,960 talking to Witnesses uh about the 1533 01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:16,460 overlaps and how a lot of experiencers 1534 01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:19,680 aren't uh relegated to a single subject 1535 01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:22,380 in their lives they'll experience things 1536 01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:24,180 from all different aspects of the 1537 01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:26,220 Paranormal and the Cryptids it's not 1538 01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,180 just 1539 01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:29,760 yeah I saw a Bigfoot it's I saw a 1540 01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:32,220 Bigfoot oh well there was also a UFO oh 1541 01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:34,440 well I also saw a ghost whenever I was 1542 01:04:44,569 --> 01:04:40,370 there was hardens at the 1543 01:04:47,390 --> 01:04:44,579 um inquiry into an almost experiences uh 1544 01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:47,400 conference back in October 2022 and he 1545 01:04:51,710 --> 01:04:49,260 basically pulled up super experiencer 1546 01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:51,720 slides where he went through people that 1547 01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:54,359 had reported basically encounters with 1548 01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:56,220 every single conceivable thing across 1549 01:05:02,750 --> 01:04:58,559 the entire spectrum of high strangeness 1550 01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,760 from Bigfoot to uh extremely close 1551 01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,280 encounters to precognition to clear 1552 01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,440 audience Clairvoyance 1553 01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:09,839 um near-death experiences Etc and and I 1554 01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:11,400 keep coming back to this idea that once 1555 01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,020 you have one kind of mysterious or high 1556 01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:14,880 strangeness experience it's almost like 1557 01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:17,460 it makes a crack in the dam where your 1558 01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,260 Consciousness is then more 1559 01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:22,319 um apt or prone to experiencing or 1560 01:05:25,730 --> 01:05:23,940 interpreting other high strangeness 1561 01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,740 events right like once you have one it's 1562 01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,359 easier to have the next and every 1563 01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,280 subsequent one becomes easier and easier 1564 01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,200 to access and experience 1565 01:05:35,329 --> 01:05:33,119 what's your thoughts on that Robert yeah 1566 01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,339 I hear I hear a lot of people saying you 1567 01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:37,440 know thinning of the veil whenever that 1568 01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,660 stuff like that happens when yes when 1569 01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,520 they have like you know multiple 1570 01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,640 different paranormal Cryptid and you 1571 01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,079 hear that more and more now at the end 1572 01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:48,240 of the day yeah the new age term is 1573 01:05:53,390 --> 01:05:50,220 raising your frequency 1574 01:05:56,690 --> 01:05:53,400 yes or a vibration which of course 1575 01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:56,700 frequency yes raising your frequency or 1576 01:06:02,270 --> 01:06:00,420 vibration then you have more experiences 1577 01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:02,280 what's your thought on that Matt do you 1578 01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,740 well you've seen all three right you 1579 01:06:12,349 --> 01:06:06,960 have you had UFO experience as well Matt 1580 01:06:15,650 --> 01:06:12,359 yeah okay okay yeah yeah okay I've had 1581 01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:15,660 some crazy experiences over the span of 1582 01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:18,359 my lifetime I had some crazy experiences 1583 01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:20,220 today that we'll talk about uh later 1584 01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:24,240 privately but uh this is why we hired 1585 01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:25,859 you by the way I'm just kidding yeah 1586 01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:28,880 you're the late on payment by the way uh 1587 01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,099 you know geez so 1588 01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,839 I don't I don't want to keep on getting 1589 01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:36,480 sidetracked I mean there this leads to a 1590 01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:39,240 whole nother discussion but I do want to 1591 01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:41,640 allow Robert since he's giving us some 1592 01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:44,460 of his time I if you don't mind talking 1593 01:06:49,609 --> 01:06:47,700 about your experiences at Kenny's place 1594 01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:49,619 uh because there was some overlap there 1595 01:06:53,690 --> 01:06:51,660 you know and I think I think that's a 1596 01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:53,700 great story yeah 1597 01:06:58,670 --> 01:06:56,640 um there was there was this one time I I 1598 01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,680 would I would say this this is I'm gonna 1599 01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,539 say where it's at it's in the kimchi 1600 01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:01,920 mountains in Oklahoma 1601 01:07:07,789 --> 01:07:04,079 so a buddy of mine had he had a cabin 1602 01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,799 there and we used to you know like rumor 1603 01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,119 was that there was a bunch of Bigfoot up 1604 01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:11,760 there and so we would go up there and 1605 01:07:16,010 --> 01:07:14,280 and uh one of our friends had a cabin so 1606 01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:16,020 sometimes we would tan you know put a 1607 01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:18,660 tent out or we would just stay like in 1608 01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:20,460 the cabin and there was a couple times 1609 01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:22,740 where I think at the time 1610 01:07:27,410 --> 01:07:25,440 he had a neighbor that was probably like 1611 01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:27,420 a good 200 yards away 1612 01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:29,160 and there were there were building 1613 01:07:34,190 --> 01:07:32,280 cabins in this one area so one of you 1614 01:07:36,109 --> 01:07:34,200 know like one of his neighbors used to 1615 01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:36,119 chop up wood and sometimes he was there 1616 01:07:41,089 --> 01:07:38,220 sometimes he wasn't and so whenever he 1617 01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:41,099 was there we would take Texas beer up to 1618 01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:42,420 Oklahoma because Texas beer is a little 1619 01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:44,280 stronger than Oklahoma beer used to be 1620 01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:45,960 yeah 1621 01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:48,960 Red River baby and then we used to we 1622 01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,020 used to train beer for firewood so there 1623 01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,480 was there was this one time uh it was 1624 01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,700 like me and two other guys we were out 1625 01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:58,799 there and we see a car coming up the 1626 01:08:03,049 --> 01:07:59,760 road 1627 01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,059 and so I out of I automatically nudged 1628 01:08:06,529 --> 01:08:05,039 Kenny I said hey your neighbors coming 1629 01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:06,539 let's go get some firewood because I 1630 01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:07,859 didn't want to go look for firewood at 1631 01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:10,500 night I just didn't want to and so you 1632 01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:12,599 know we got a pack a beer we shot her 1633 01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:13,980 walking up the road you know to meet him 1634 01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:16,259 at his house and so as we're walking up 1635 01:08:19,849 --> 01:08:18,060 the road uh we noticed that the 1636 01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:19,859 headlights were coming up you're getting 1637 01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:22,859 closer and closer and then we realized I 1638 01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,100 think like halfway walking up there that 1639 01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:28,319 um these headlights didn't have an 1640 01:08:31,610 --> 01:08:30,060 engine running at all there was no motor 1641 01:08:34,490 --> 01:08:31,620 nothing 1642 01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,500 and so the these two lights were white 1643 01:08:40,669 --> 01:08:37,020 okay and so as we noticed it okay 1644 01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:40,679 there's no motor it noticed dust and as 1645 01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:42,839 soon as it noticed us it these two 1646 01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,699 lights just took off into the woods and 1647 01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:46,080 they were dodging they were going around 1648 01:08:50,809 --> 01:08:49,199 trees and there was like a probably like 1649 01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:50,819 a drop off like 100 foot drop off 1650 01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:52,440 probably like 300 yards away and went to 1651 01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:54,540 the drop-off and went straight down 1652 01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:57,600 and so all three of us stopped and we 1653 01:09:01,130 --> 01:08:58,980 all looked at each other I said don't 1654 01:09:03,769 --> 01:09:01,140 say a word so we walked back to the 1655 01:09:06,769 --> 01:09:03,779 cabin and we wrote down exactly what we 1656 01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:06,779 all saw and we compared notes 1657 01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,420 and I don't know what that was I don't 1658 01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:11,040 know if it was UFO I didn't know if it 1659 01:09:14,269 --> 01:09:12,839 was paranormal I don't know but it was 1660 01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,279 the strangest thing that ever happened 1661 01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:15,839 to me when I was in the woods you know 1662 01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:17,460 looking for a Bigfoot 1663 01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:18,600 so 1664 01:09:22,729 --> 01:09:20,940 that's crazy 1665 01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:22,739 what what's your what's your thoughts on 1666 01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:23,640 that guys 1667 01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:26,460 gals I'm thinking of that 1668 01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,940 um what is it Edgar Casey or one of 1669 01:09:32,809 --> 01:09:31,199 those people 1670 01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:32,819 um was saying if you look into the 1671 01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:35,040 abyssio this looks back 1672 01:09:39,410 --> 01:09:38,040 who was it 1673 01:09:42,289 --> 01:09:39,420 I'm pretty sure that was Frederick 1674 01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:42,299 Nietzsche yeah but you know Edgar Casey 1675 01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:44,699 next best thing yeah I was gonna say 1676 01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:51,890 it just seems like if you if you open up 1677 01:09:55,870 --> 01:09:54,600 and invite the stuff in it's going to 1678 01:09:58,490 --> 01:09:55,880 happen right 1679 01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:58,500 I guess that's part of that raising the 1680 01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:02,400 frequency stuff well orbs I mean for 1681 01:10:08,330 --> 01:10:05,100 lack of better term uh is something that 1682 01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:08,340 is reported on a consistent basis in the 1683 01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:11,640 Bigfoot world uh oftentimes by 1684 01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:15,420 researchers in the Bigfoot world uh some 1685 01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:18,800 people connect them to Bigfoot directly 1686 01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:22,080 uh I'm still of the mindset of just 1687 01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:24,120 because they're in the same area at the 1688 01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,980 same time doesn't mean they have 1689 01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,080 anything to do with one another and 1690 01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,000 otherwise you could say that orbs are 1691 01:10:33,169 --> 01:10:31,920 connected to deer because deer also live 1692 01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:33,179 in these areas 1693 01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:36,480 uh and orbs are also something that I 1694 01:10:41,209 --> 01:10:38,520 have learned uh through you guys that 1695 01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:41,219 are consistent in the UFO world as well 1696 01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,040 all over the world Dr Sean Kirkpatrick 1697 01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,080 said it today at the NASA briefing yeah 1698 01:10:52,189 --> 01:10:48,960 I'm all over the world so Robert is 1699 01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,199 obviously somebody I trust uh a thousand 1700 01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,960 percent over you know and and he saw 1701 01:10:59,630 --> 01:10:57,360 these two orbs uh acting independent of 1702 01:11:01,850 --> 01:10:59,640 one another and traveling through the 1703 01:11:03,530 --> 01:11:01,860 woods and taking off over you know a 1704 01:11:06,649 --> 01:11:03,540 cliff basically 1705 01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:06,659 uh in a known hot spot for bigfoot 1706 01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:08,460 activity 1707 01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:09,780 I don't know if there's any connection 1708 01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,280 or not uh these mountains though 1709 01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:17,280 you know there might be something to the 1710 01:11:22,430 --> 01:11:20,040 uh material content of the mountain 1711 01:11:24,649 --> 01:11:22,440 range itself uh 1712 01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:24,659 a lot of these areas are believed to be 1713 01:11:29,689 --> 01:11:27,600 high in quartz uh and different types of 1714 01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,699 crystals I know in this area 1715 01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:31,679 whenever I visited down there you could 1716 01:11:35,689 --> 01:11:33,480 literally just walk around and find 1717 01:11:37,310 --> 01:11:35,699 crystals laying on the ground it was 1718 01:11:39,649 --> 01:11:37,320 absolutely insane I brought some home 1719 01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:39,659 with me as a matter of fact and there 1720 01:11:47,390 --> 01:11:42,960 are beliefs that uh crystals can record 1721 01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:47,400 information or Draw in energy and are 1722 01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:50,040 oftentimes considered in theories along 1723 01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:53,159 with a paranormal and psychic events you 1724 01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:55,320 know there's Crystal healing 1725 01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,120 there's all kinds of things going on 1726 01:12:00,890 --> 01:11:59,040 with crystals uh the folklore of 1727 01:12:03,649 --> 01:12:00,900 Atlantis was based off of the idea of 1728 01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,659 using crystals as these technological 1729 01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,040 devices 1730 01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:07,199 so maybe that has something to do with 1731 01:12:12,530 --> 01:12:09,659 the orbs I don't know crystal meth 1732 01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,540 crystal meth uh very popular in 1733 01:12:18,649 --> 01:12:14,640 Southeastern Oklahoma in the same region 1734 01:12:19,729 --> 01:12:18,659 uh so yeah does it all is it all 1735 01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:19,739 connected 1736 01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,140 is it all separate who knows uh but 1737 01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:24,080 there's definitely things taking place 1738 01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,320 in certain areas uh where it seems 1739 01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:30,000 almost concentrated where these things 1740 01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:35,209 Robert I don't know if you have 1741 01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:36,840 something on that I'm gonna add I'm 1742 01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:38,340 going to add on to it but go ahead if 1743 01:12:42,530 --> 01:12:40,620 you'd like to react to that sir well I 1744 01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,540 was gonna I was gonna say also 1745 01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:44,880 um that same area because we were we 1746 01:12:48,770 --> 01:12:46,620 were in like in the kimichi mountains 1747 01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:48,780 and it's like a you know routing like a 1748 01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:50,940 big hill at the bottom of this hill was 1749 01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:53,580 a dam and there was an area I've never 1750 01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:55,199 seen it but there's been an area down 1751 01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,480 there that some of the locals used to 1752 01:13:01,490 --> 01:12:59,280 say that they would see UFOs come and 1753 01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:01,500 land there and so right next to this Dam 1754 01:13:06,169 --> 01:13:03,540 with this green field and it was 1755 01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:06,179 pristine green like like and there was 1756 01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:09,600 no Shrubbery in this area no trees no 1757 01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:11,940 shrubs nothing it's just like a big it 1758 01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:13,980 was probably like I don't know like a 1759 01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,739 hundred hundred yards or something and 1760 01:13:20,209 --> 01:13:18,480 uh and I used to go there and just look 1761 01:13:22,610 --> 01:13:20,219 at it I said it's almost like someone 1762 01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:22,620 was making a soccer field or a baseball 1763 01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:25,679 field at football field and and I would 1764 01:13:28,669 --> 01:13:27,480 ask the owner of that area I said what's 1765 01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:28,679 this for this I don't know it's just 1766 01:13:34,490 --> 01:13:32,400 there and so rumors were like like 1767 01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:34,500 swirling around that UFOs come in there 1768 01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:37,140 but I never got a chance to talk to 1769 01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:39,000 anybody who said that 1770 01:13:42,770 --> 01:13:40,860 but I thought that was kind of odd in 1771 01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:42,780 that same area with those orbs and 1772 01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:46,199 Bigfoot stuff in that area too so 1773 01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:48,900 it yeah I mean it's funny that there 1774 01:13:53,709 --> 01:13:51,480 there is a convergence there but I 1775 01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:53,719 actually heard I want to throw this this 1776 01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:56,580 hypothesis that you then I heard posited 1777 01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,100 by Christopher Noel the author 1778 01:14:04,669 --> 01:14:01,679 researcher from up in Maine and 1779 01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,679 apparently a lot of people uh that there 1780 01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:06,000 are there are others in the community 1781 01:14:09,649 --> 01:14:08,460 that have stated this but 1782 01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:09,659 um the reason that I found this 1783 01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:12,780 hypothesis interesting is because 1784 01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:16,440 there are so many cross sections between 1785 01:14:22,189 --> 01:14:19,800 humans and Bigfoot uh just the fact that 1786 01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:22,199 you know the the way that we walk the 1787 01:14:27,649 --> 01:14:25,679 fact that we share 95 DNA with apes and 1788 01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:27,659 we we it's unknown how much we share 1789 01:14:33,610 --> 01:14:30,060 with Bigfoot but they we have more in 1790 01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:33,620 common with the Bigfoot as acute as a a 1791 01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:37,080 homo sapien then then we even do with a 1792 01:14:42,050 --> 01:14:39,000 gorilla and we have 95 percent of the 1793 01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:42,060 same DNA and so just to announce uh 1794 01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,940 Chris uh rather Tim Halloran from 1795 01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,920 Bigfoot and Insulin from Bigfoot 1796 01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:48,960 influencers said uh it was just sent to 1797 01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:53,040 me that the Darby or Darby orquit from 1798 01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,260 NC State they have officially launched 1799 01:15:02,390 --> 01:14:57,840 their genetic analysis project which is 1800 01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:02,400 going to focus on samples of uh uh DNA 1801 01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,219 that's been attributed to Bigfoot uh you 1802 01:15:10,610 --> 01:15:07,440 know hair samples so forth Collections 1803 01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:10,620 and um and then test those and and see 1804 01:15:14,270 --> 01:15:12,780 what they come up with I had heard about 1805 01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:14,280 this I'm sure you guys have heard about 1806 01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:16,380 it too and I'm really glad that they're 1807 01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:17,880 taking it on because that's what Deb was 1808 01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,400 calling for earlier in the show but what 1809 01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:22,320 I wanted to say is that 1810 01:15:29,090 --> 01:15:25,380 when we look at ghosts and everybody 1811 01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:29,100 here I mean there's uh three of you I'm 1812 01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,260 not sure what Leah's experiences with 1813 01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:33,360 ghosts and and Poltergeist and 1814 01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:36,000 paranormal but they say that people have 1815 01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:38,640 heard them walking within a home people 1816 01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:41,580 many many thousands of people have had 1817 01:15:46,130 --> 01:15:43,560 experiences where they can move 1818 01:15:48,649 --> 01:15:46,140 something within the home they can throw 1819 01:15:50,030 --> 01:15:48,659 something they can close the door they 1820 01:15:52,490 --> 01:15:50,040 can change the temperature in the room 1821 01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:52,500 you can hear them you can occasionally 1822 01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:55,020 see them they can interact with you and 1823 01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:56,760 then just separate and they're they're 1824 01:16:01,370 --> 01:15:59,159 gone right they can walk through walls 1825 01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:01,380 all these sorts of things 1826 01:16:08,030 --> 01:16:04,800 so when Christopher Noel said isn't it 1827 01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,040 possible then that what people are 1828 01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:11,760 seeing in the woods that appears to have 1829 01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,540 a extraterrestrial component to it or or 1830 01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:17,760 the fact that a Bigfoot could be walking 1831 01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:20,520 through a portal couldn't it be a spirit 1832 01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:24,360 or ghost of a former uh living Bigfoot 1833 01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:26,219 that inhabited those woods that has 1834 01:16:31,130 --> 01:16:29,280 returned and decided to interact with 1835 01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,140 people that are in those woods looking 1836 01:16:35,870 --> 01:16:34,080 for their flesh and blood uh live 1837 01:16:38,450 --> 01:16:35,880 brethren 1838 01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:38,460 um and it and if that's so and they can 1839 01:16:44,510 --> 01:16:41,760 move branches and they can change the 1840 01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:44,520 temperature around you and they can uh 1841 01:16:49,490 --> 01:16:46,620 interact with you in all the ways that a 1842 01:16:52,490 --> 01:16:49,500 ghost does in somebody's home then isn't 1843 01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:52,500 it possible that this cousin of ours uh 1844 01:16:56,270 --> 01:16:54,060 could also be doing the same thing in 1845 01:16:58,130 --> 01:16:56,280 the woods I ask you that Robert and and 1846 01:17:00,290 --> 01:16:58,140 Matt and then the other cabbies as well 1847 01:17:02,570 --> 01:17:00,300 you know I was going to say that I know 1848 01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:02,580 Matt and I have talked about this on 1849 01:17:06,370 --> 01:17:04,380 your show Matt that wasn't at the 1850 01:17:09,709 --> 01:17:06,380 episode where we were talking about 1851 01:17:12,110 --> 01:17:09,719 uh dead Bigfoot right um Bigfoot Barry 1852 01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:12,120 they're dead right yeah yeah and we and 1853 01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:13,980 we discussed that and I know I asked 1854 01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,020 that question I said you know why 1855 01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:18,719 couldn't it not be a a you know a ghost 1856 01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:20,699 of a Bigfoot because I know one of the 1857 01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:22,440 stories I've talked to with a gentleman 1858 01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,679 when he said he saw a Bigfoot he said he 1859 01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:27,960 was massive and then and it was like it 1860 01:17:31,729 --> 01:17:29,940 was floating he was walking so fluidly 1861 01:17:33,169 --> 01:17:31,739 it looked like it's floating and then it 1862 01:17:36,169 --> 01:17:33,179 when it stepped into the woods he said 1863 01:17:38,330 --> 01:17:36,179 the woods swallowed it and so that 1864 01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:38,340 always stuck with me whenever they 1865 01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,140 whenever like an eyewitness tells me 1866 01:17:44,330 --> 01:17:42,960 stories like that and I I know like I 1867 01:17:47,149 --> 01:17:44,340 said I've talked about this on that show 1868 01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,159 Matt I'm gonna let you go over there 1869 01:17:52,729 --> 01:17:49,440 yeah um 1870 01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,739 it's something that kind of uh intrigued 1871 01:17:58,250 --> 01:17:53,760 me 1872 01:18:01,970 --> 01:17:58,260 early on especially with the idea of 1873 01:18:05,149 --> 01:18:01,980 some Bigfoot experiences uh being 1874 01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:05,159 attributed to Bigfoot when it could have 1875 01:18:08,930 --> 01:18:07,140 just been a ghost I mean if you hear 1876 01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:08,940 like for instance if you're in your tent 1877 01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,440 and something slaps the tent or you hear 1878 01:18:17,330 --> 01:18:15,600 footsteps running around your camp but 1879 01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:17,340 you don't see anything 1880 01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,620 if you're out there looking for bigfoot 1881 01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,600 or Bigfoot happens to pop in your head 1882 01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:23,280 whenever those things happen 1883 01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:25,560 you attribute them to Bigfoot naturally 1884 01:18:30,350 --> 01:18:28,260 but it could be a haunting you know 1885 01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:30,360 Woods can be haunted just as easily as 1886 01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:32,520 an old graveyard or a house or anything 1887 01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:35,280 else the grounds the grounds could be up 1888 01:18:41,630 --> 01:18:39,600 on it yeah so there's actually a guy who 1889 01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:41,640 uh I used to talk to every now and then 1890 01:18:48,169 --> 01:18:44,520 who was in Missouri I believe yeah 1891 01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:48,179 Missouri and uh he was under the firm 1892 01:18:53,689 --> 01:18:51,659 belief that there was a Bigfoot uh going 1893 01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:53,699 into a building 1894 01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,320 at night 1895 01:19:01,250 --> 01:18:57,840 and this building was reportedly haunted 1896 01:19:02,270 --> 01:19:01,260 because of the Bigfoot activity wow 1897 01:19:05,149 --> 01:19:02,280 um 1898 01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:05,159 now that obviously he never crossed over 1899 01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:06,719 into the realm of it being a ghost 1900 01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:09,840 Bigfoot uh but he just thought you know 1901 01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:12,239 one was being attributed to the other 1902 01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:15,600 but sure yeah absolutely in my opinion 1903 01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,960 uh a Bigfoot can be a ghost just like 1904 01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:20,880 anything else can be a ghost that was 1905 01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:21,900 once living 1906 01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,120 and they would be able to I'm sorry go 1907 01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:25,920 ahead Matt sorry they would be able to 1908 01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:27,840 interact the same way that any other 1909 01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:31,260 Spirits interact and it could very well 1910 01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:34,980 possibly explain some of the uh Bigfoot 1911 01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,900 encounters that we hear about that have 1912 01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:39,120 sort of a paranormal tone to them or 1913 01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:42,000 have uh events that are beyond the scope 1914 01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,840 of our own scientific understandings 1915 01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:48,480 and we have about 10 minutes left but I 1916 01:19:53,450 --> 01:19:50,520 want to get uh What uh get your thoughts 1917 01:19:56,330 --> 01:19:53,460 on that Prime Time and Deb 1918 01:19:58,810 --> 01:19:56,340 I mean it opens a can of worms because 1919 01:20:02,750 --> 01:19:58,820 there's like a whole field of psychology 1920 01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:02,760 that has to do with our ancestors and 1921 01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,040 like Neanderthal interactions and how 1922 01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:07,199 that has caused fear and it might be 1923 01:20:13,250 --> 01:20:11,340 like mapped in our DNA right to to see 1924 01:20:15,169 --> 01:20:13,260 like large eyes for instance is 1925 01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:15,179 something scary 1926 01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:17,540 um because our ancestors were scared of 1927 01:20:24,770 --> 01:20:21,900 beings with large eyes so like the other 1928 01:20:27,229 --> 01:20:24,780 aspect of that is that people who study 1929 01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:27,239 um ghosts also study that that maybe 1930 01:20:31,610 --> 01:20:28,920 some of these ghosts are Remnant 1931 01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:31,620 memories so some of these Bigfoot 1932 01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,659 sightings could be really ancient 1933 01:20:38,330 --> 01:20:36,000 Bigfoot or primates that we've 1934 01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:38,340 encountered and whether or not it's in 1935 01:20:44,330 --> 01:20:40,739 our DNA to be afraid of them or it's a 1936 01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,340 Memory that just replays is a question 1937 01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:46,080 that we might have to answer at some 1938 01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:51,709 prime time 1939 01:20:51,719 --> 01:20:55,750 yes everything Deb just said 1940 01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:59,990 your check's in the mail too all right 1941 01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:02,159 and and whether or not you're afraid of 1942 01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:04,620 it or not really for this part of the 1943 01:21:10,130 --> 01:21:07,020 discussion is immaterial though it's 1944 01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:10,140 just looking to explain how things are 1945 01:21:14,630 --> 01:21:12,239 for example Terry Wendell from Rock Hill 1946 01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:14,640 Bigfoot in South Carolina he came along 1947 01:21:20,689 --> 01:21:18,540 with us and he said he heard the Bigfoot 1948 01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:20,699 approaching his tent he said it sounded 1949 01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:22,980 like a football player with cinder 1950 01:21:26,810 --> 01:21:25,260 blocks on his feet in the approach it 1951 01:21:29,390 --> 01:21:26,820 came up to his tent and you guys have 1952 01:21:31,550 --> 01:21:29,400 heard many stories where it puts its 1953 01:21:34,610 --> 01:21:31,560 finger on the fabric and touches the the 1954 01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,620 human inside it and then when it left it 1955 01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:36,719 removed its finger and it left he didn't 1956 01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:38,580 hear it he didn't hear a thing 1957 01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:41,340 so physics would dictate that's not 1958 01:21:48,169 --> 01:21:44,040 possible but what if it was a ghost 1959 01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,179 I mean just because the the just 1960 01:21:52,189 --> 01:21:50,159 everything that Matt said I mean they 1961 01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,199 exhibit the same behaviors that they 1962 01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:54,239 exhibit in the home their home happens 1963 01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:56,520 to be in the forest 1964 01:22:01,850 --> 01:21:58,980 um so go ahead prime time 1965 01:22:04,010 --> 01:22:01,860 oh no I I was I was vocally agreeing 1966 01:22:05,050 --> 01:22:04,020 with you this idea that 1967 01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,060 um 1968 01:22:10,850 --> 01:22:08,159 ghosts or hauntings or experiences of 1969 01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,860 them uh certainly are not restricted to 1970 01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,480 our homes 1971 01:22:16,970 --> 01:22:14,880 I mean something you said many times DJ 1972 01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:16,980 and I just think this is another fine 1973 01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:18,480 example of that 1974 01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:20,640 it doesn't have to be one or the other 1975 01:22:27,169 --> 01:22:23,760 right it's just multiple things can be 1976 01:22:29,209 --> 01:22:27,179 true at the same time yeah 1977 01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:29,219 what occurs to me is it's like super 1978 01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:31,260 time bending if you think that some of 1979 01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:34,260 it is really from the ancient past like 1980 01:22:43,070 --> 01:22:40,310 I'm sorry say that again Deb I was just 1981 01:22:45,050 --> 01:22:43,080 putting up night gazers uh uh experience 1982 01:22:46,910 --> 01:22:45,060 from in his friends and his friends in 1983 01:22:49,100 --> 01:22:46,920 the bathroom and night gazer that's 1984 01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:49,110 that's known as a house cat 1985 01:22:59,930 --> 01:22:58,550 that ghost arm with the virtual 1986 01:23:02,209 --> 01:22:59,940 background it does that man 1987 01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,219 unfortunately but people seeing less of 1988 01:23:05,930 --> 01:23:04,800 me is not necessarily A Bad Thing uh you 1989 01:23:07,790 --> 01:23:05,940 know we have the good looking people on 1990 01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:07,800 the show for that 1991 01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:10,920 um so anyway uh it's just it's a 1992 01:23:17,390 --> 01:23:14,699 fascinating aspect it could actually uh 1993 01:23:20,270 --> 01:23:17,400 explain at least part of it and and 1994 01:23:23,209 --> 01:23:20,280 they're also maybe uh an aspect of it 1995 01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:23,219 that uh has to do with you know because 1996 01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:26,000 the other the other aspect of it is okay 1997 01:23:31,729 --> 01:23:29,159 if you believe the thousands of 1998 01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,739 experiencers and before actually before 1999 01:23:35,090 --> 01:23:33,120 I get to that 2000 01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:35,100 um Julie pointed out something earlier 2001 01:23:39,050 --> 01:23:36,900 that I want to point out to anybody 2002 01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:39,060 bigfooter who's listening 2003 01:23:46,910 --> 01:23:43,199 Dr Simeon Hein has a Bigfoot support 2004 01:23:48,350 --> 01:23:46,920 group uh Julie can get me the link and I 2005 01:23:51,050 --> 01:23:48,360 will make sure that's in the show notes 2006 01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:51,060 so that if you want to 2007 01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,980 um it's a support group it's not a 2008 01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:54,960 podcast it's you know none of that stuff 2009 01:24:00,010 --> 01:23:56,760 it's something that Matt has been 2010 01:24:02,930 --> 01:24:00,020 calling for and Dr Simeon Hein is great 2011 01:24:05,450 --> 01:24:02,940 uh in and has expertise in both remote 2012 01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:05,460 viewing he teaches that 2013 01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:09,120 um he also has uh is very into the study 2014 01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:11,400 of UFOs and speaks on that at 2015 01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,380 conferences and also Bigfoot he has an 2016 01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:15,600 equal interest in Bigfoot and thank God 2017 01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:18,000 that we don't have to just say no I'm 2018 01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:19,380 only about this one thing and nothing 2019 01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:21,780 else so and thankfully everybody in this 2020 01:24:26,830 --> 01:24:24,960 panel kind of has that attitude uh right 2021 01:24:30,169 --> 01:24:26,840 Robert I mean yes 2022 01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:30,179 but yeah maybe if if if there is a 2023 01:24:34,610 --> 01:24:31,620 phenomenon that is coming and 2024 01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:34,620 interacting with humans uh for its 2025 01:24:41,209 --> 01:24:38,520 purpose that is literally taking DNA and 2026 01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,219 body parts out of a cattle that we can't 2027 01:24:45,890 --> 01:24:43,199 figure out how they want because we 2028 01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:45,900 can't figure out how to use of this this 2029 01:24:50,689 --> 01:24:48,239 particular pieces of biology that they 2030 01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,699 take well then what's to say that they 2031 01:24:54,350 --> 01:24:52,320 wouldn't want to interact with Bigfoot 2032 01:24:55,729 --> 01:24:54,360 how would we know that they wouldn't be 2033 01:24:58,490 --> 01:24:55,739 interested to interact with Bigfoot 2034 01:25:03,709 --> 01:25:00,530 go ahead Robert 2035 01:25:06,169 --> 01:25:03,719 no I was just going to say that I um 2036 01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:06,179 I I agree with you on 100 I mean it's 2037 01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:08,520 just one of those things that I I really 2038 01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:11,400 support you know people and I want to 2039 01:25:16,970 --> 01:25:14,400 help them and the best I can and so 2040 01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,980 I I love doing what I do I love helping 2041 01:25:20,510 --> 01:25:19,199 Matt I'm really happy being on this show 2042 01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:20,520 so 2043 01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:24,840 man this is just this is just part one 2044 01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:27,300 man we gotta have you back for part two 2045 01:25:32,090 --> 01:25:30,300 because I know that uh we we and when I 2046 01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:32,100 say we didn't really scratch the surface 2047 01:25:36,590 --> 01:25:34,440 of the experiences that you and Matt had 2048 01:25:39,229 --> 01:25:36,600 but we really just had you know stream 2049 01:25:42,350 --> 01:25:39,239 of Consciousness on on Bigfoot and 2050 01:25:44,510 --> 01:25:42,360 paranormal here which is also enjoyable 2051 01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:44,520 um so but let me make sure everybody we 2052 01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:46,860 we get around and everybody gets a last 2053 01:25:50,209 --> 01:25:48,780 question in or a last word in and then 2054 01:25:53,149 --> 01:25:50,219 we'll we'll go with cabbie goodbyes 2055 01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:53,159 after that but uh Deb's uh if you would 2056 01:25:57,649 --> 01:25:54,840 is there something else that you wanted 2057 01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:57,659 us to consider yeah I'm just thrown by 2058 01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:00,600 this idea of the spiritual Bigfoot 2059 01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:04,080 because when we when we open that door 2060 01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:08,159 like we also open this time concept 2061 01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:11,280 because unfortunately when when you talk 2062 01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:13,380 about spirits some people are saying 2063 01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:15,659 some of those Spirits are maybe from the 2064 01:26:20,450 --> 01:26:18,480 future and like ah there's like a whole 2065 01:26:23,149 --> 01:26:20,460 science quantum physics aspect to that 2066 01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,159 that which leads me to like what if 2067 01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:24,719 Bigfoot or our 2068 01:26:30,350 --> 01:26:27,360 future selves rather than our past 2069 01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:30,360 selves and it's like ah 2070 01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:32,760 okay just let's flesh that out a little 2071 01:26:36,890 --> 01:26:35,159 further to make sure we understand what 2072 01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:36,900 you're wrestling with here and and it 2073 01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:38,699 forgive me if you guys understand it and 2074 01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:42,360 I don't okay so when you talk about 2075 01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,820 ghosts and you say that there are 2076 01:26:49,610 --> 01:26:47,280 memories some people say that they may 2077 01:26:52,129 --> 01:26:49,620 be from the future that there's like an 2078 01:26:54,770 --> 01:26:52,139 imprint from the future rather than the 2079 01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:54,780 past so if we're talking about a ghost 2080 01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,320 Bigfoot some of them may actually be 2081 01:27:03,649 --> 01:27:01,199 future Bigfoot which would also explain 2082 01:27:06,350 --> 01:27:03,659 some of these portal experiences so now 2083 01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:06,360 I'm like thrown thinking about this 2084 01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,460 yeah but aren't is there a difference 2085 01:27:13,129 --> 01:27:10,560 between like a poltergeist and a ghost 2086 01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:13,139 can somebody help me out here that one 2087 01:27:17,450 --> 01:27:15,420 of them is a memory and the other one I 2088 01:27:19,729 --> 01:27:17,460 mean spiritually manifestation there's 2089 01:27:22,189 --> 01:27:19,739 what's called a residual haunting which 2090 01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:22,199 seems to replay an event over and over 2091 01:27:26,330 --> 01:27:24,480 and over and it doesn't have any 2092 01:27:28,129 --> 01:27:26,340 intelligent interaction with any of the 2093 01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,139 people around it then there's an 2094 01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:30,320 intelligent haunting where the spirit 2095 01:27:34,850 --> 01:27:33,000 knows you're there and interacts with 2096 01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:34,860 you directly and then there's 2097 01:27:41,090 --> 01:27:37,679 Poltergeist activity which just means 2098 01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:41,100 it's more like noises and objects being 2099 01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,900 thrown across the room and things like 2100 01:27:47,090 --> 01:27:44,400 that 2101 01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:47,100 um and there's also a whole train of 2102 01:27:53,450 --> 01:27:49,920 thought that Blues Poltergeist activity 2103 01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,460 is actually us because it seems to be 2104 01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:55,679 centered around a lot of 2105 01:28:01,310 --> 01:27:58,920 younger people and teenagers uh and 2106 01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:01,320 people going through really intense 2107 01:28:11,209 --> 01:28:08,629 and Jules thank you for putting this up 2108 01:28:13,310 --> 01:28:11,219 there's about Dr simeon's uh Bigfoot 2109 01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:13,320 support group if you can just DM me that 2110 01:28:17,149 --> 01:28:15,000 because I'll get it in the show notes 2111 01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,159 tonight and thank you so much for always 2112 01:28:22,129 --> 01:28:19,440 being like totally Johnny on the spot 2113 01:28:23,930 --> 01:28:22,139 with uh different links that we need 2114 01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:23,940 that that are pertinent to what the 2115 01:28:27,550 --> 01:28:26,760 guest is talking about thank you 2116 01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:27,560 um 2117 01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:30,840 uh prime time 2118 01:28:36,050 --> 01:28:33,120 um last parting shots any last parting 2119 01:28:38,090 --> 01:28:36,060 shots you know um I I'm always kind of 2120 01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:38,100 returning and returning to just how 2121 01:28:42,169 --> 01:28:39,960 people experience and interpret these 2122 01:28:43,490 --> 01:28:42,179 encounters whether it's Bigfoot or any 2123 01:28:47,090 --> 01:28:43,500 other kind of 2124 01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:47,100 um mysterious or strange encounter 2125 01:28:50,330 --> 01:28:48,420 um and 2126 01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,340 uh at a certain point I think 2127 01:28:54,169 --> 01:28:52,320 conversations about whether things are 2128 01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,179 real or not in any meaningful sense 2129 01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:56,400 cease to be important because they still 2130 01:29:01,310 --> 01:28:58,920 deeply affect uh experiencers they still 2131 01:29:03,470 --> 01:29:01,320 deeply affect humans and I think that at 2132 01:29:05,209 --> 01:29:03,480 the very least we owe it to ourselves 2133 01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,219 um just as thinking and considering 2134 01:29:08,689 --> 01:29:07,199 human beings to explore these ideas very 2135 01:29:11,390 --> 01:29:08,699 seriously 2136 01:29:13,010 --> 01:29:11,400 um so uh I I just really appreciate 2137 01:29:14,510 --> 01:29:13,020 having the guest tonight and really 2138 01:29:16,129 --> 01:29:14,520 appreciate kind of the depth and breadth 2139 01:29:18,649 --> 01:29:16,139 of conversation we've had 2140 01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:18,659 thank you definitely 2141 01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:21,120 um Matt uh do you have a a Parting Shot 2142 01:29:25,010 --> 01:29:22,920 parting thought and then and then we 2143 01:29:28,250 --> 01:29:25,020 will officially say goodbye to Mr 2144 01:29:30,110 --> 01:29:28,260 Dominguez cabbie with our our patented 2145 01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:30,120 cabbie goodbye 2146 01:29:35,090 --> 01:29:32,280 yeah what if 2147 01:29:40,270 --> 01:29:35,100 there's something 2148 01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:40,280 else uh uh greater intelligence uh God 2149 01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:43,199 whatever you want to say 2150 01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:46,440 that's actually in control of everything 2151 01:29:52,990 --> 01:29:49,440 and it controls what our field of view 2152 01:29:55,370 --> 01:29:53,000 is at any given time what our reality is 2153 01:29:57,470 --> 01:29:55,380 and if it doesn't want us to see 2154 01:29:59,209 --> 01:29:57,480 something it just changes our field of 2155 01:30:01,729 --> 01:29:59,219 view where we can't see it 2156 01:30:04,129 --> 01:30:01,739 or sometimes we you know whenever it's 2157 01:30:06,590 --> 01:30:04,139 not looking we do get a chance to see 2158 01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:06,600 real reality for a second 2159 01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:09,540 uh one of the thoughts that I've had for 2160 01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:12,480 a long time is maybe all of these things 2161 01:30:18,890 --> 01:30:16,620 are so mysterious and go unproven for so 2162 01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:18,900 long like Bigfoot for instance 2163 01:30:23,149 --> 01:30:21,120 it's real simple because we're not 2164 01:30:25,490 --> 01:30:23,159 supposed to know they're there we're 2165 01:30:29,050 --> 01:30:25,500 we're not supposed to discover them 2166 01:30:31,729 --> 01:30:29,060 and if that's the case we're all screwed 2167 01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:31,739 it sounds like the Donald Hoffman theory 2168 01:30:35,810 --> 01:30:34,080 that Science Bob uh explained when he 2169 01:30:38,270 --> 01:30:35,820 was on with us 2170 01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:38,280 um I you know my personal feeling about 2171 01:30:42,770 --> 01:30:40,320 that is 2172 01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:42,780 um I try not to Define reality for 2173 01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:45,300 somebody else and I think that's kind of 2174 01:30:51,470 --> 01:30:48,960 like a tangent of what Leah was saying I 2175 01:30:54,169 --> 01:30:51,480 think there are experiences that people 2176 01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:54,179 have that are tangible to the point 2177 01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:58,080 where another witness could see that and 2178 01:31:02,209 --> 01:31:00,000 say okay something is happening now 2179 01:31:04,490 --> 01:31:02,219 something just happened for example 2180 01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:04,500 Terry Loveless and if you hadn't heard 2181 01:31:08,510 --> 01:31:06,239 about him uh is I don't know if it's 2182 01:31:12,169 --> 01:31:08,520 called Devil's Den or Devil's Canyon in 2183 01:31:14,990 --> 01:31:12,179 in Missouri uh Robert but it was an Air 2184 01:31:17,290 --> 01:31:15,000 Force Airman named uh Terry Lovelace who 2185 01:31:19,629 --> 01:31:17,300 ended up became assistant U.S attorney 2186 01:31:23,689 --> 01:31:19,639 uh in in a couple of different states 2187 01:31:26,570 --> 01:31:23,699 ausa and uh and his friend Toby and they 2188 01:31:28,850 --> 01:31:26,580 were abducted uh and saw a whole bunch 2189 01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:28,860 of people on board a very very large 2190 01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:31,440 craft and when they came back they were 2191 01:31:35,870 --> 01:31:34,080 taken in by OSI and all kinds of things 2192 01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:35,880 happen the park rangers went and picked 2193 01:31:39,950 --> 01:31:37,199 up their campsite because they just left 2194 01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:39,960 it so there are certain things that have 2195 01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:41,460 a certain tangibility and then there are 2196 01:31:45,890 --> 01:31:44,159 other things kind of that you know we 2197 01:31:47,689 --> 01:31:45,900 just have to take them and just you know 2198 01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:47,699 say okay something happened to this 2199 01:31:53,390 --> 01:31:49,920 person I might not have seen it I can't 2200 01:31:55,689 --> 01:31:53,400 prove it but I believe they you know 2201 01:31:58,010 --> 01:31:55,699 something happened in in their reality 2202 01:32:00,830 --> 01:31:58,020 and we don't necessarily have to 2203 01:32:02,450 --> 01:32:00,840 differentiate but at the same time 2204 01:32:05,570 --> 01:32:02,460 um 2205 01:32:08,570 --> 01:32:05,580 you know I I just try not to codify and 2206 01:32:11,930 --> 01:32:08,580 Define what has happened to to someone 2207 01:32:13,729 --> 01:32:11,940 else because that can that can be you 2208 01:32:15,890 --> 01:32:13,739 know that I'm trying to you know 2209 01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:15,900 subtract from what happened to them and 2210 01:32:19,790 --> 01:32:17,940 I don't want to do that uh but they're 2211 01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:19,800 they're probably are you know different 2212 01:32:24,410 --> 01:32:23,280 levels of of experiences and and 2213 01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:24,420 certainly 2214 01:32:30,290 --> 01:32:26,760 whether we're meant to see it or not met 2215 01:32:33,290 --> 01:32:30,300 I mean geez thousands of of people you 2216 01:32:35,629 --> 01:32:33,300 guys and gals have been out there and 2217 01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:35,639 have seen this so if it was if we 2218 01:32:39,050 --> 01:32:37,440 weren't meant to discover it they're a 2219 01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:39,060 little bit late 2220 01:32:44,689 --> 01:32:41,340 um DHA unfortunately I'm gonna have to 2221 01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:44,699 go in just a moment and I wanted to I 2222 01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:47,040 wanted to say that what you've said and 2223 01:32:51,530 --> 01:32:49,860 what Leah has said and what you know a 2224 01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:51,540 lot of people have been saying about 2225 01:32:55,790 --> 01:32:54,000 Bigfoot leads me to just think the most 2226 01:32:57,110 --> 01:32:55,800 important thing we can do is look to the 2227 01:33:00,530 --> 01:32:57,120 experiencer 2228 01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:00,540 and find out what is happening that 2229 01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:03,900 they're able to see past that 2230 01:33:09,950 --> 01:33:06,600 that illusion that seems to be part of 2231 01:33:12,410 --> 01:33:09,960 life that reality that isn't 2232 01:33:14,270 --> 01:33:12,420 um what we're actually experiencing 2233 01:33:17,629 --> 01:33:14,280 because Donald Hoffman has spoken about 2234 01:33:20,570 --> 01:33:17,639 that too about what we're perceiving is 2235 01:33:23,209 --> 01:33:20,580 not the actual reality that we're in and 2236 01:33:25,370 --> 01:33:23,219 I think what Matt's alluding to is that 2237 01:33:27,129 --> 01:33:25,380 there's like a someone behind the scenes 2238 01:33:29,930 --> 01:33:27,139 that doesn't want us to see but we are 2239 01:33:32,570 --> 01:33:29,940 and why is that so we need to go to the 2240 01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:32,580 experiencer and find out so I wanted to 2241 01:33:36,050 --> 01:33:34,199 say thank you so much 2242 01:33:37,250 --> 01:33:36,060 um Robert for coming and talking to us 2243 01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:37,260 thank you 2244 01:33:41,209 --> 01:33:39,120 um I hope that we get to have you again 2245 01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:41,219 and get more information from you 2246 01:33:46,129 --> 01:33:43,199 because of course obviously you've 2247 01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,139 inspired so much thought for us today of 2248 01:33:49,129 --> 01:33:48,000 course so thank you and take care 2249 01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:49,139 everybody 2250 01:33:56,270 --> 01:33:51,600 bye Debs we'll see thank you so much see 2251 01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:56,280 Dex uh let's go with uh uh Matt or prime 2252 01:34:00,350 --> 01:33:58,080 time go ahead Matt since that's your 2253 01:34:01,550 --> 01:34:00,360 brother go ahead and cabbie goodbye with 2254 01:34:03,770 --> 01:34:01,560 Robert 2255 01:34:06,830 --> 01:34:03,780 Bobby D 2256 01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:06,840 my bro what's happening dog thanks so 2257 01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:09,360 much man uh thank you I know you're a 2258 01:34:15,050 --> 01:34:12,420 busy guy and I I finally been able to 2259 01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:15,060 unite these two worlds 2260 01:34:20,209 --> 01:34:17,280 yes yeah you got you guys already know 2261 01:34:22,669 --> 01:34:20,219 about each other so I'm glad that it's 2262 01:34:26,270 --> 01:34:22,679 finally happened and I've really enjoyed 2263 01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:26,280 the conversation as I always do anytime 2264 01:34:29,450 --> 01:34:27,900 you're involved 2265 01:34:35,090 --> 01:34:29,460 appreciate it 2266 01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:37,910 I'm here didn't I do my cabbie goodbye 2267 01:34:41,870 --> 01:34:40,380 okay if well we weren't doing cabbies 2268 01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:41,880 goodbyes yet but if that was it then 2269 01:34:50,330 --> 01:34:48,890 all right um our prime prime time 2270 01:34:52,010 --> 01:34:50,340 apparently already did her cabbie 2271 01:34:54,110 --> 01:34:52,020 goodbye Robert 2272 01:34:56,209 --> 01:34:54,120 um thank you so much as as Matt said you 2273 01:34:59,209 --> 01:34:56,219 know I've heard about you for a period 2274 01:35:01,490 --> 01:34:59,219 of time now and uh any brother of Matt's 2275 01:35:05,090 --> 01:35:01,500 is a brother of mine and I really would 2276 01:35:06,649 --> 01:35:05,100 like to do a episode two with you uh 2277 01:35:08,689 --> 01:35:06,659 hopefully money Nathan will be here 2278 01:35:12,729 --> 01:35:08,699 because he's such great conversation as 2279 01:35:14,930 --> 01:35:12,739 well and uh we had there's we we 2280 01:35:16,610 --> 01:35:14,940 literally we have so much more to learn 2281 01:35:18,590 --> 01:35:16,620 from you I mean I get to learn from Matt 2282 01:35:20,209 --> 01:35:18,600 but having another resource like 2283 01:35:22,430 --> 01:35:20,219 yourself 2284 01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,440 um because we're brand newbies in 2285 01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:24,000 Bigfoot you know what I mean so yeah 2286 01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:25,860 thank you so much for being here sir 2287 01:35:31,010 --> 01:35:28,320 thank you thank you for having me I'm 2288 01:35:32,689 --> 01:35:31,020 glad to be a part of this uh tonight and 2289 01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:32,699 you know Matt's been talking so highly 2290 01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:34,980 you guys and uh you know same thing here 2291 01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:37,440 any any friend of Matt's is friends of 2292 01:35:41,629 --> 01:35:40,380 mine so that's the way I see it so you 2293 01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,639 will come back on for a part two 2294 01:35:46,850 --> 01:35:44,159 absolutely absolutely I may I may have 2295 01:35:48,050 --> 01:35:46,860 you guys on uh Nick from the club we can 2296 01:35:50,810 --> 01:35:48,060 talk about Justin Timberlake and all 2297 01:35:53,209 --> 01:35:50,820 that stuff so I'm definitely down for 2298 01:35:54,770 --> 01:35:53,219 that man I definitely come on man as you 2299 01:35:57,169 --> 01:35:54,780 can see I have no trouble talking about 2300 01:35:58,910 --> 01:35:57,179 any of these genres I enjoy the hell out 2301 01:36:01,550 --> 01:35:58,920 of it Julie's saying thanks for riding 2302 01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:01,560 with us as always uh Deb 2303 01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:02,159 um 2304 01:36:06,830 --> 01:36:04,800 and what Terry has visited our group a 2305 01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:06,840 couple times I don't know if I'm not 2306 01:36:12,110 --> 01:36:09,360 sure if Julie's talking about uh Terry 2307 01:36:14,870 --> 01:36:12,120 uh I'm not sure oh Lovelace Terry 2308 01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:14,880 Loveless yeah famous big Bigfoot story 2309 01:36:18,890 --> 01:36:16,800 he's written a couple of books now I'd 2310 01:36:21,229 --> 01:36:18,900 love to speak with him uh former Air 2311 01:36:23,810 --> 01:36:21,239 Force Airmen and Julie says it's been 2312 01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:23,820 lovely it's been a lovely ride Bigfoot 2313 01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:25,260 bombs 2314 01:36:29,149 --> 01:36:27,420 thank you 2315 01:36:31,310 --> 01:36:29,159 um she also had a sighting when she was 2316 01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:31,320 growing up in Indiana uh down the Ender 2317 01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:33,840 her cul-de-sac uh as it was eating some 2318 01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:35,280 berries 2319 01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:37,560 um but uh yeah yeah Robert yeah we'll 2320 01:36:41,450 --> 01:36:39,780 definitely um get you on again then 2321 01:36:45,110 --> 01:36:41,460 since you're you're open to that because 2322 01:36:47,209 --> 01:36:45,120 we have so much to learn so uh for uh 2323 01:36:51,110 --> 01:36:47,219 Debs who who's not here for money Nathan 2324 01:36:53,629 --> 01:36:51,120 who's out on the road for Matt Leah and 2325 01:36:56,750 --> 01:36:53,639 Robert Dominguez this is DJ Singh peace 2326 01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:56,760 out one love we'll see you down the road 2327 01:37:01,070 --> 01:36:59,040 and as always we're wondering what's up 2328 01:37:02,440 --> 01:37:01,080 around the bend